Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2011,12:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2011,10:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2011,10:42)We were made in the image of God, Keith.  Scripture says so.Thats it.So we are children of God and are not being made to be more like the Father God?What is the image of God we were made into Mike?WJWJthat is a good…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 03 2011,14:12)Keith,I like the format that Mike and I are discussing with.  Can we do the same?  If so, I'll go ahead and open it with a post like I did there and I will let you start with your first question.  We will do one question at a time, back and forth, and eventually we will cover your initial posts from he…[Read more]

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2011,20:30)And you blew off this question with a diversion:  Does any human have a father/son relationship where both of them are the same being?  YES or NO?The answer is “NO” but you keep comparing finite earthly fathers and their sons with an infinite God. Your assumptions and earthy comparisons do not begin t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2011,20:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2011,11:36)If he was there before all things came into being then that means he was already there in the beginning of all things.Good try at a “fast one” Keith, but the fact remains that the phrase “of all things” is not evident in the Greek text of John 1:1 or 1:2.Ha Ha…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 03 2011,09:10)Quote (Lightenup @ April 30 2011,23:25)Keith,I'm back…my electricity is now working again after 72 hours.  I read through this thread and I think a one on one 'discussion' would be more effective, don't you?  It gets very distracting with all those who deny the deity of Christ posting as well.  I really do…[Read more]

t8Why don't you answer the questions or question? Am I the only one required to answer questions?You just reworded the question I give you and then post a bunch of spin!WJ

Quote (t8 @ May 01 2011,17:50)Thanks for your reply WJ.T8You are welcome and thanks for your reply.Quote (t8 @ May 01 2011,17:50)For me there is one God the Father.I come to the Father in the name of Jesus, and I aim to do all in the name of Jesus.So you have to have someone else (Jesus) to go to your one God or to serve your one God? I will ask…[Read more]

Bump for Marty.Quote (942767 @ April 30 2011,13:47)Since you want to teach the pre-existence of Jesus, it is up to you to substatiate it with scripture.MartyWe have already given you clear scripture and the literral Greek meanings.”For I came down (katabainō) from heaven”, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:38The sam…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 30 2011,23:34)Thanks again for praying for the situation in the south.  Our electricity is back up after 72 hours.  I was talking with someone today that home and six horses and family were all fine but probably more than 100 of their trees felled and their neighbors on either side of them completely lost their home and t…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 30 2011,13:47)Since you want to teach the pre-existence of Jesus, it is up to you to substatiate it with scripture.MartyWe have already given you clear scripture and the literral Greek meanings.”For I came down (katabainō) from heaven”, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:38The same word is use…[Read more]

tLets see how Mike answers then I will answer you.WJ

MikeDidn't you make this statement? Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:38)The “OUR image” would HAVE to be Jesus IMO, because mankind wasn't yet there, and no one else is said to share God's image.Found here!WJ

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2011,19:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011,10:32)The problem you have with your theory is you have no unambiguous scripture that says the pre-incarnate Jesus had a beginning.Col 1:15, Rev 3:14, Micah 5:2, Prov 8:22, Heb 1:6…………..I said “unambiguous scripture” Mike. As you know there are var…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2011,11:04)Good post Keith.Thanks MIkeUnlike Irene you didn't find fault. WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2011,10:42)We were made in the image of God, Keith.  Scripture says so.Thats it.So we are children of God and are not being made to be more like the Father God?What is the image of God we were made into Mike?WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2011,09:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2011,08:42)Major Premise = We are being changed into the image of God.Minor Premise = We are being changed into the image of Jesus.Conclusion = Jesus is God!I learned that from KJ.Keith, the fact you learned it from KJ should be enough to tell you something has to be flawed…[Read more]

Hi AllTo deny the preexistence of Jesus is to deny a very basic fundamental truth. There are way to many scriptures that one has to explain away or give some ethereal interpretation to the text when it is obvious a litteral interpretation of the text is what is meant by the writers.John 6:38-40For “I have come down from heaven, not to do my own…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 29 2011,18:29)Thankyou for your forgiveness WJ.Hi karmarieNo Problem! WJ

Quote (Istari @ April 28 2011,17:04)Work backwards: if Jesus IS God – and he says we are to become like him – then he must mean that we too are to become GOD!OK JA Does it mean that we are going to become God if we are made after Gods image? Because it is his image that we are being changed into you know.So lets work backwards.If we go all the way…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 28 2011,16:34)Also, I do not have electricity at my house so I am in the library.  There were about 200 tornadoes that whipped through the south.  Please pray for the people that have so much damage or lose of life in their family and all those who are fixing the power lines.  From the way it looks, this could be a long we…[Read more]