Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,21:37)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,01:41)Elitism is a big one also. It comes in this disguise…I once believed that way too, “But Now” infering that they are more spiritual or closer to God. Also men forsaking the “Assembling of themselve together”.Since the others you said do not apply to me, I at least…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ Oct. 08 2007,03:12)To WJ,If you hear people “babeling” that is NOT speaking in tongues.  Speaking in tongues is merely speaking another language that you did not know how to speak. I speak English. If I suddenly began to teach who is the Messiah to a Jew, and spoke in Hebrew, a language I never learned how to speak, this is…[Read more]

kejonnI will say this then I am done then I also bow out.You say…Quote You are STILL missing the point WJ! You are so dead set against the Sabbath that you cannot see anything but being under the law if you actually find out what pleases God. Its like “whoah, old testament, must be bad”. I think you know what Paul told Timothy about scr…[Read more]

Kejonn You say…Quote And your argument is even more fallacious. Show me where Yeshua spoke with anyone who was not a disciple after the resurrection! The personal public ministry of Christ ended on the tree. He commissioned his disciples to carry on the ministry after the resurrection. And lo and behold, we find in Acts that they continued to go i…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 08 2007,18:44)I see the Preexistence thread is going strong…..so I wanted to *bump* this thread on Conception as a companion.It is my opinion that one subject gives light to the other.Jesus is the unique combination between God's spirit and Mary.  Therefore, “Jesus” the person, could not have preexisted his own…[Read more]

Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 06 2007,17:13)I was just wanting to make a thread to make a statement that I'm sure has already been made before…but might have been forgotten. Doctrines=Man Made (IMO)The Word (Your Bible)=The truth (From God)You see the biggest problem I have with all these Doctrines from all these denominations and religions is this:Most…[Read more]

Hi All.Here is some helpfull information on the “Two Covenants”.THE TWO COVENANTSCHAPTER VThe Two Covenants in Christian Experience“These women are two covenants: one from Mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar. Now this Hagar answereth to Jerusalem that now is, for she is in bondage with her children. But the Jerusalem which i…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 07 2007,10:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,09:58)Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 07 2007,09:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,09:16)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:00)WJ,can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments?Can you show me the term  “Ten Commandments” found in the mouth of Yeshua or the Apostles?Can…[Read more]

kejonnYou say…Quote Now wouldn't you think that the one who made the new covenant would say that the Sabbath was abolished rather than answer the way he did? Yet he did not. He instead showed us how to do well on the Sabbath, just as he showed us how to truly adhere to he other commandments. And if the Sabbath was no longer important, why…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:27)WJ,Your short statements also speak volumes. You have no real defense against what I said, do you? Where do you see the average “Christian” standing up for Christ outside of the sanctuary of the local church?The silence is deafening…kejonnAnd you have no real defense of what I said about the Church not being…[Read more]

kenrchYou quote…Quote Gen 26:5  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge,…. my commandments,…. my statutes,… and my laws. Can you show me where Abraham kept the Sabbath?  

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 07 2007,09:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,09:16)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:00)WJ,can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments?Can you show me the term  “Ten Commandments” found in the mouth of Yeshua or the Apostles?Can you show me without ambiguity that the “Ten Commandments” is not part of the…[Read more]

Hi all!Commandments of God!Laws of God!Same?Lev 7: This is the portion of the anointing of Aaron, and of the anointing of his sons, out of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, in the day when he presented them to minister unto the LORD in the priest's office; Which the LORD commanded to be given them of the children of Israel, in the day that…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:00)WJ,can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments?Can you show me the term  “Ten Commandments” found in the mouth of Yeshua or the Apostles?Can you show me without ambiguity that the “Ten Commandments” is not part of the law?Can you show me where for 2500 years those before Moses who were counted for…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,08:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,14:59)kejonnI do have one more thing to say.You say…Quote Again, this is where many Christians are missing out. This also may be why Christianity is starting to lose so much ground in America — because people either see legalistic Christians (like the Pharisees were among…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,08:30)WJ,Almost every where I go, people are leaving churches. Just do the research. The church in America is headed for extinction. I assume you are in the US? I am smack dab in the Bible Belt and I see more and more people leaving “the church”. I think you have your head in the sand if you can't see that.And why? The…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,08:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,14:42)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,07:10)WJ,Fulfilled does not mean eliminated. It means to be made complete. And is the Ten Commandments the “Law of God”? What are laws? They provide rules. But they also involve penalties for breaking them. No penalties were written on…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,07:48)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,14:34)kejonnI think we are sayng the same thing.However, I disagree in that you are saying that the Old Covenant is still valid for the Born again Christian.Yes, and no. The old covenant included the various penalties for sin. The only penalty for sin now is death: “the…[Read more]

kejonnI do have one more thing to say.You say…Quote Again, this is where many Christians are missing out. This also may be why Christianity is starting to lose so much ground in America — because people either see legalistic Christians (like the Pharisees were among the Jews) or liberal Christians who look just like the world. Neither group has…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,07:10)WJ,Fulfilled does not mean eliminated. It means to be made complete. And is the Ten Commandments the “Law of God”? What are laws? They provide rules. But they also involve penalties for breaking them. No penalties were written on stone tablets. That was contained in the law of Moses.kejonnIs not the law of Moses…[Read more]