Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 10 2007,03:33)Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:3  And God said,  Let there be light: and there was light. Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. God said the ~Word~ light and there was light.God told Jesus to create light and there was lig…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 10 2007,04:05)Amen, Ken!Also, WJ, you don't have to take the publisher's word for it, you can continue reading past the “Let us make…” and you will see that God is directing his responses to the heavenly hosts!  Read on…..not3Show me where. And show me where the heavenly host has the image of God!Gen 1:26And God said,…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 30 2007,18:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 30 2007,18:25)then we know when he says above let us make man in our image and after our likeness that he couldn’t have been speaking to any other creature like angels.So you disagree with the NIV Study Bible translator's who say that God WAS speaking to the “heavenly hosts” when h…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 09 2007,09:43)Maybe WJ should have put the 'My' in instead of 'His' so it would avoid confusion. The fact still stands…John 20:28 – Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”My question is why do the New Internation Version and King James Version differ so much with this verse? Do you notice the…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 09 2007,09:31)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 08 2007,16:22)Question?What did Thomas call Yeshua after he raised himself from the dead?A. His LordB. His Lord and FatherC. His Lord and GodD. His brotherE. None of the above.First of all it was “my Lord and My God”. You forgot the 2nd “my”. Also, he didn't raise himself, God did…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Sep. 15 2007,08:19)WJ and CB;You stated that Isaiah saw the Lord and the Lord he saw was Jesus.  In another post WJ, you stated that Christ was the Word before coming to the earth, meaning, he was not the Son of God prior to coming to earth.  So how could Isaiah have seen the Son of God if the Son of God did not exist.  Also, yo…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 09 2007,09:13)Who would like to answer this next one? When was the first Passover?a) 620 B.C b) 33 A.D c) When the children of Israel entered the promised land d) When the children of Israel were still in bondage in the land of Egypt  ChapD.

Question?What did Thomas call Yeshua after he raised himself from the dead?A. His LordB. His Lord and FatherC. His Lord and GodD. His brother

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 09 2007,07:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 09 2007,05:00)This is unambiguous. Many wish that John 1:1 and 20:28 were just not there, in fact many wish that Johns writtings were not in the Cannon period.Give me 10 names then. t8Its one of those things where the secrets of mens hearts is revealed by their rejection of the text and…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 09 2007,05:19)Me too!  Thanks

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 09 2007,05:03)Thank you for that WJ. I appreciate your responses as always. Thanks

Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 07 2007,05:24)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:28)Quote Yes you believe correctly that Yeshua and the Father are different.But what about God and Jesus.This is the whole point here. You seem to not be able to grasp (or you are just avoiding the issue) that God and Jesus are different.The bible is full of verses that say God…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 08 2007,01:33)Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 07 2007,11:23)Jesus Appears to Thomas John 20: 24-30 24 Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”      But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands an…[Read more]

t8You say…Quote Now just as Eve is not the Man in identity nor is Yeshua God by identity.Yes but we are not talking about God and his wife are we?You say that Eve is not the man in identity, of course Eve is not Adam! Eve is not man either she is woman. But she is human.But lets talk about Adam and his Son. Abel is not Adam but Abel is man.Is he…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:56)And to Trinitarians.God and Jesus.Can you admit that the God of the bible is not Jesus?Hundreds of verses speak of God and Jesus.The God of the bible is not Jesus.Even Revelation 1:1 shows as much.Can you admit it?Or are you to proud to admit it?t8How about God and God!John out of the same breath uses the same word…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:22)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,11:17)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,11:05)And you try to change the meaning of John 1:1OK.Lets see if this is true.God (the Father) > Jesus > angel > John.That is what I say. So where is the error?What do you say it is then?Trinity > Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 04 2007,11:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 04 2007,11:05)And you try to change the meaning of John 1:1OK.Lets see if this is true.God (the Father) > Jesus > angel > John.That is what I say. So where is the error?What do you say it is then?Trinity > Jesus > angel > John or what?I can easily show you the error of this is your…[Read more]

t8You say…Quote The God in the bible is the Father. Your God includes the Father but also includes others.And your God does not include other gods?You put Yeshua in the same class as angels and men.

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 04 2007,10:50)It can be easily proved that God and Jesus are spoken of as 2, not as the same being. The vast majority of “theos” (ignoring idols) is the Father. Only in a few instances is theos used of Yeshua, man, and angels.So if the “theos” of the bible and in Revelation 1:1 is the Father, then why try and change, add or…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 04 2007,10:06)The argument being extended here is the exact same one used by t8 in his second proof text; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. In that post t8 intimated that because the Father was designated “God” and Jesus was not that was substantive evidence against the proposition that Yeshua is YHWH. To this I replied:Quote (Is 1:1…[Read more]