Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,19:44)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 05 2011,09:08)Yes, we know that Jesus is not the Father but once again…”How does that prove Jesus is not God?”Hi Keith,I think I'm worn down from doing this. Hi MikeI would be too if I were you. How can someone defend a position like yours? You have admitted Jesus is god over…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,20:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 06 2011,15:49)But listen to your own words, you said…“Jesus was the beginning of the creation. of God…”.Earlier you have said that Jesus is part of the “creation of God” but if he is the “Beginning of the creation” and all of the creation came through him then how can he be part…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,20:40)Quote (Paladin @ May 06 2011,06:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2011,14:16)To me it seemed like a whole bunch of words that in the end, still didn't give a different meaning to “I came down from heaven” than the only obvious one.Paladin,  we don't need a lesson in the Greek language…………unless there is…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 06 2011,17:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,14:36)Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2011,14:50)Try again since you appear not to understand Mike's point.KerwinWhat is it about YHWHs and Paul’s words that imply there are “other gods but one”.This is simply word games you guys play. There is “Only One God” but yet there are o…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 07 2011,08:59)Finally, Trinitarian-wise, how does a Trinitarian claim that the HOLY SPIRIT – IS – God?Certainly, the Holy Spirit is OF/From God…Is the Angel of God – God? (How many 'Angels of God' are there?)Is the Man of God – God? (How many 'Men of God' are there?)Is the Son of God – God? (How many 'Sons of God' are…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 07 2011,04:40)This is all word play games.At one point WJ says 'Only one God' – then he later says 'Only one TRUE God'.It is clear there is a difference – and his arguments PLAY on that difference.JAPlease tell me the difference in “Only One True God” and “Only One God”.What does the words “ONLY ONE” mean?If there is “Only One…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,21:06)So the words “all” and “nothing” are only as reliable as the context allows them to be. Hi MikeTrue, but do you see any part of the creation in the context of John 1:1, 2? Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,21:06)If it says “nothing” came into being without Jesus, then we must assume that since Jesus was the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,21:06)Hi Keith,1 Cor 15:27 says “all things”, but then explains that “all things” doesn't include “GOD HIMSELF”.Hebrews 2:8 says that God left “nothing” that He did not put under Jesus.  We can assume that the “nothing” in this verse also does not include “GOD HIMSELF”.Hi MikeSo what is your point?John 1:1, and 2…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2011,14:50)Try again since you appear not to understand Mike's point.KerwinWhat is it about YHWHs and Paul’s words that imply there are “other gods but one”.This is simply word games you guys play. There is “Only One God” but yet there are other gods. You guys should be Greeks or Romans who believed in many gods.When Paul s…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ May 06 2011,00:26)Hi 942767,   Thank You! Thank you for pointing out the obvious reality that an image of anything is not the original. If you ever tried your hand as a visual artist or did alot of Photoshop type work you would be extremely aware of this simple fact of life.                                                 With L…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 06 2011,00:05)If you continue to show your lack of understanding in this matter, I will have no choice but to declare that you lost this debate.t8Is this what it will come to? That you just claim victory without addressing my points and questions?You started this thread to belittle the Trinitarian view but it is clear to see the…[Read more]

t8Is that it, Just patronizing statements without addressing my points or questions?WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,22:37)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2011,15:50)Paul said……and that there is NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE.NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE means there are “no other gods”, period!WJApparently not.Hi allIt appears Mike is saying Paul’s words “there is NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE” are “apparently” not true.Paul’s words are very clear…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ May 02 2011,19:18)I am just asking for honest speech.I am being honest with my speech and doctrine, how about you?Are you being honest?If you are then why don't you say “THEY spoke to me” when you say God spoke to you? If you are honest why don't you say “THEY healed me” when you say God healed me?If you are honest why don't you…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ May 04 2011,18:04)I have answered the question about three times.It is God that I talk to in prayer as Jesus taught me too.I do that through Jesus name and by the power of God's spirit.In other words you cannot approach God without the three. This is my point. If the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are so “One” that we cannot…[Read more]

MartyNo it doesn't satisfy me, because that scripture says he is “the image of God” and not that “God made him into the image of God”.Do you believe God has an image even though he is invisible to us?True or False…Jesus is made into the image of God? FalseJesus is “the image of God”? TrueSince Jesus is the image of God that we are becoming like…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 04 2011,19:29)I guess if you copy and paste the answer here, then we can see that you did.t8The answer is found in the thread Mike created to discredit me…Click here, 1st postWJ

Hi KathiOK here is my first question…Can you show me a scripture that implies Jesus was a “son” in the Father before he came into existence as a begotten Son?Blessings! WJ

Quote (942767 @ May 04 2011,20:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2011,01:42)Quote (Istari @ April 28 2011,17:04)Work backwards: if Jesus IS God – and he says we are to become like him – then he must mean that we too are to become GOD!OK JA Does it mean that we are going to become God if we are made after Gods image? Because it is his image that…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ May 04 2011,17:04)Keith!  No, I worship Jehovah God and honor Jesus who is my Savior…. I go through Jesus to go to the Throne of God and ask Jehovah God for the forgiveness of my sins.  Is that good enough for you? Peace IreneIreneThen you should stop calling Jesus “a god”, right?WJ