Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,08:41)For someone who claims that God’s perfection goes outside of our understanding, you sure seem to have all the answers. I think it is more like, because the scriptures are the truth there is dispute and misunderstandings. I cannot answer for what others do in the name of God. Your response is just a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 19 2008,10:32)Wj….Again you have skerted around the direct question i ask by asking all kind of other questions. I ask you what good would it be if God took a perfect God who walked perfectcly himself because of some supposed preexistence, what hope or gain would that be for us humans, Seening he would (NOT) be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,02:59)catoYes. And it is your right to believe that way. But the Bible is a gathering of 66 books with thousands of scriptures that “Christians” believe in. Do they all agree? No. Do all Deist agree? No.Basically this is the difference between a “believer” and an “unbeliever”.Most of your comment is summed…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 19 2008,04:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,02:59)So what is the point? Why do you guys spend so much time trying to prove the scriptures wrong.Hi worshippingJesus,I don't know if I am lumped in with that group that is “trying to prove the scriptures wrong” or not.I suppose that I do post many scriptures that I…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 19 2008,03:44)WJ…..The problem we have here is shifting from one subject to another with out settling anything. GBNo, it is you who is shifting the conversation. The conversation was about Jesus preexistence, but when you didn’t have answer for what we showed you then you do what you usually do, you start attacking t…[Read more]

Quote (Cato @ April 19 2008,00:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 18 2008,12:54)God is not some pansy God that cannot or will not judge evil and bring it to an end.You will need to throw away a good part of the NT as well as the OT to hold the view that God is some mushy teddy bear that you can just kick around or do what ever you want to him…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 18 2008,14:31)WJ…… no matter how much proofs you get you just won't except them whyGBIt looks like you are the one not accepting the proofs. Why not?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 18 2008,14:31), what good would it be if God took another God and he walked perfect on earth. How do we gain hope from that seening he…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ April 18 2008,15:07)Hey, finally some honest Christians who will own up to their desire to see Jesus and Yahweh kick some unholy butt! After all, it is sinful for women to have their monthly period!Aren't you guys glad you are on the “winning” side?kejonnI hope you and yours are well.No, a Christian dosnt desire to see God kick a…[Read more]

Hi all.Has anybody read these scriptures in the NT? There are more.2 Thess 1:8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:Rom 1:18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Rom 2:5-8But…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2008,07:54)Quote (martian @ April 17 2008,11:22) 1510) before me.'” Because (oti) of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. Because (oti) the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 17 2008,05:26)WJ…….> Your criticism of me and martian is unfounded we have both given you solid explanations for what we expound, you and others constantly imply meanings to texts that are not there, you simply put them there to fix your own Trinitarian belief systems, but you cannot find any absolute statements to…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 16 2008,18:08)WJ,It's good to see your light on again.  I see you are back in full-swing here.  Press on, bro!Love,MandyNot3Thanks!I have been busy with a long paper for school!Glad that is done. But it was a blessing to learn so much about the scriptures.I was pressed to did deep and hard and long in such a short t…[Read more]

Hi all!KJVJohn bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.King James Version 1611, 1769 NKJV – Jhn 1:15 – John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 16 2008,11:42)lightenup…… Go to Jeff benner's web sit and check out the Hebrew word create, you will find there is no Hebrew word for create, in fact the way the first sentence of Genesis should read is this way,> in the summit “Elohiym {powers}” fattened the sky and land. So you can see martian's point. I fact…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,17:39)Hi WJ,I was just thinking about you today!  How have you been, bro?  Sure good to see you here.  Hope you have more to contribute.Nick, I'm going to check out the websites you listed now.  I've been reading a bit on deism and it doesn't sound near as hopeless as you are presenting it.  But maybe I'm miss…[Read more]

Quote (Cato @ April 13 2008,07:28)WJ is making a totally unsupported statement when he ascribes the popular culture phrase of “God is Dead” with Deism.  A deist is “One who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being but denies revealed religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason.” It would defy reason that an omniscient…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2008,13:08)Hi, This has come up and deserves it's own thread.A manmade philosophy relating to knowledege and not relationshipIt seems to simply require the acknowledgement of God to join up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism  This site seems to have a masonic aspect with the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2008,15:44)Hi WJ, So if trinity is taught NOWHERE in scripture why do you teach it? Perhaps you can only understand God in a trinity context? Is that any excuse? Perhaps you have found what seem to be tantalising hints in scripture about a trinity? Is that sufficient reason to do this?Perhaps you can only unmderstand…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2008,11:34)Hi WJ, You ask”Where is the scripture for this. Where did Jesus say “I was a Son of God before I was born a Son from Marys womb.” So we askWHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD IS A TRINITY?NHThe contention is not about the “Trinity”. The contention is about the scriptures revelealing Jesus as God, one with…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 22 2008,05:01)Quote Have you changed your belief?  So I guess no one should put credence on anything you say either huh? Tell me martian how it is you can claim my doctrine is pagan blasphemy because I dont agree with NH and you and others when I use the same Bible you do with scriptures supporting my belief.You do know…[Read more]