Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:48)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:40)Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby “he (Jesus) is able even to SUBDUE all things unto himself”. Phil 3:21It is scriptures like this that you don't like.  I love that scripture Keith.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:47)And Jesus is the second “Adam” which means he represents all of mankindListen to your own words Keith.  Jesus REPRESENTS all of mankind.  Jesus also REPRESENTS God.  But he is neither “all of mankind” nor “God”.Listen to yourself.If being THE “Son of Man” means he is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:47)And Jesus is the second “Adam” which means he represents all of mankindListen to your own words Keith.  Jesus REPRESENTS all of mankind.  Jesus also REPRESENTS God.  But he is neither “all of mankind” nor “God”.Answer my question how God can mediate BETWEEN Hi…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,14:53)Thanks for pointing that out Mike because everything in the Universe was created by the Father and Jesus…Say it scripturally Keith, or don't say it at all, okay?Everything was created…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:31)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,12:01)To be a true Mediator he has to be both God and man or he could not possibly be a “Perfect Mediator”. What?!?!?    So God Himself is the Mediator BETWEEN God and mankind?  A more nonsen…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:09)But when Jesus DOES subject himself to God, what is the reason and the result?  Isn't it “so GOD can be all in all”?So you do admit Jesus has not subjected himself to the Father yet? Jesus is ruling as God and is “all in all” now.But when he does subject himself to the Father he will continue to reign forever…[Read more]

MikePlease answer the question.How is Jesus a servant to the Father if “he has not subjected himself and the Kingdom to the Father”?Your whole theory falls apart when you start claiming that the words of God are not to be taken literrally!WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,14:53)Thanks for pointing that out Mike because everything in the Universe was created by the Father and Jesus…Say it scripturally Keith, or don't say it at all, okay?Everything was created by GOD, period.  Our “one God” is “the Father”, period.  Therefore, everything w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:49)Just answer the question Keith.  Is the Father the “firstborn” of anyone or anything?  After all, He IS the One who is preeminent over His own creation, right?  So would you call the Father “the firstborn of all creation”?What you demand I answer a question when you have not answered at least 5 of mine in th…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,12:01)To be a true Mediator he has to be both God and man or he could not possibly be a “Perfect Mediator”. What?!?!?    So God Himself is the Mediator BETWEEN God and mankind?  A more nonsensical statement has never been uttered on HN.  That is the main tenet of the Chr…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,12:01)Where is the scripture that says Jesus is a servant at this time?But just for one example, read the prayer in Acts 4.  They clearly pray TO the ONE who created the universe and EVERYTHING in it.  You want to take the words “all” and “nothing” so literally when it s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,12:01)Where is the scripture that says Jesus is a servant at this time?Jesus is called God's SERVANT 4 different times in the Book of Acts.The word can be translated as “child or man”.How is Jesus a servant to the Father if he has not subjected himself and the Kingdom to…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 07 2011,15:35)Please give me the reference where “the best Greek Scholar of the day” said any such thing as you put in your post.PaladinEvery thing I posted in my thread was directly from Strongs.You are misleading and I will show you how.WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,09:30)Good points Mike. That is the whole issue. He cannot prove that Jesus is not speaking in literal terms but instead a  parable.Hi Keith,It would be absurd to think it was a parable of any kind.  It was a literal teaching that he himself came down from heaven.  The Je…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,20:13)Keith,Forget it okay?  Read my post in the “Question #4” thread.  I just don't have the patience for this anymore, dude.The scripture CLEARLY lists “THE FATHER” as our “one God”……………AND NO ONE ELSE.The scripture CLEARLY lists “Jesus Christ” as someone OTHER THAN the Father, who is listed as our “…[Read more]

Hi MikeAnswer my question because it seems like you want me to deny the Father and Jesus is the one god and one lord in that scripture.Do you see one “god” in 1 Cor 8:6 or two?You are not honest enough to answer this are you? Because if “YOU” answer it then you have a contradiction to the answer you want from me.WJ

Pierre Once again this is the debate thread please edit and delet your post.WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,13:40)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,09:46)Do you have a scripture anywhere that says Jesus was created?Hi Keith,That question has been asked and answered many times.Micah 5:2, Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14, Proverbs 8:22, Hebrews 2:6.MikeThat is pure inference, for not one of those scriptures say Jesus…[Read more]

Pierre Why are you interupting the debate?You need to edit and delete your post because it is in the “debate” section!WJ

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,19:44)Or worse, you start to claim all kinds of crazy things like Jack did when he claimed that he and his dad are the SAME BEING – just to keep in form with the nonsense his doctrine promotes.You don’t like the fact that the Bible itself teaches two can be ‘One Flesh”. The Bible teaches there are many membe…[Read more]