Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,04:55)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 26 2011,19:46)This comparison, crude that it is, isn't completely discordant with what I've been asserting. The identity of the official seller is a matter of perspective. The real estate agent listed the property, marketed it, wooed the vendors, closed the deal. Under their own power they made…[Read more]

Hi Dennison and PaulThats funny, I didn't read your post before I posted!  WJ

Quote (david @ May 26 2011,02:48)Quote Yehsua was the actual executor of the creation event.–PaulPaul, in my illustration above, the real estate salesman was the executor of selling my house.  Now, my question: In the paperwork, who do you think the “seller” is?  Do you think it is the Realtor?  Or do you think it is me?DavidYour analogy falls sh…[Read more]

DavidHow about this…?We are all saved “through” or “by” Jehovah who is our “Only Savour”.Does that mean YHWH didn't save us because it is “Through” him that we are saved?For of him, and through (dia) him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Rom 11:36Does the above scripture mean all things are not “through” God?Since…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,04:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011,04:50)Hi KathiYou mean “collective Deities” don't you? WJTRINITY:The Father is the deityThe Son is the deityThe Spirit is the deity.There you go WJ, a collective of deities. t8Of course that is a misrepresentation of the Trinitarian view for we believe that the Father, Son and…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 25 2011,05:24)Quote Yes I have.  I know that God created everything alone.  He chose to do that THROUGH Jesus.  Just as He created me alone, but did that THROUGH my parents.You just contradicted yourself. Hi PaulHe does that a lot. Another example of this is he says there is “Only One True God” but then says “there are ot…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 22 2011,18:01)All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being” (Joh 1:3)All things could not come to be unless it was by Jesus,And nothing apart could ever exist without it being by Jesus. This passage doesnt mention God, or that God created through Jesus,  In…[Read more]

Hi PaulExcellent post! The points you make are consistent with the context of all the scriptures. Mike has been shown this before, however you always seem to make things more clear! Blessings Keith

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,18:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2011,13:00)Hi All,This thread is to urge Keith to show support for a claim he often makes about John 1:1.Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.Psalm 102:25In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.The…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 16 2011,20:39)WJ, I am just checking that you are going to answer this question.If not, then at least we can conclude that you are stumped.t8I had PMd Mike and told him that I wouldn't be able to post here for a few weeks due to personal problems.I am not stumped, Plz be patient.WJ

I have been busy. I haven't forgot. WJ

Quote (Istari @ May 08 2011,15:14)A Title describes a Class or Group.JASo all other so-called gods are of the same “class and group” as YHWH?You guys can throw up all these smoke screens all you want but the words “Only One True God” are litteral and simply mean there are no other gods, period.WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2011,18:02)Thanks Kar.I would say that, according to the actual scriptures, the Hebrews were more like henotheists or monolatrists.  For they surely didn't believe in the literal existence of only one god, period.  The phrase “God OF gods” is proof of this.mikeMikeThe phrase God of gods proves no such thing.The word “…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 09 2011,18:29)I should also add that in the event that you are not able to move on, I will then open the debate so that others can give their opinion and bring accountability to both of us.t8So you do not want to have a judge? Why not?What are you afraid of?WJ

Quote (t8 @ May 09 2011,18:26)WJ, I beleive that you are underqulaified to be debating this topic and your approach is childish.You ask why I do not talk to them and I answer that I talk to the Father through the son, and that I do not pray Dear Father thank you Jesus please do this Holy Spirit. My answer is very clear and scriptural. Trying to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2011,16:05)Since as Jesus clearly stated “scripture cannot be broken” it follows that God did indeed call the Hebrews gods.KerwinRead it again. The Psalm does not say God called the Hebrew God. It is the words of the Psalmist who calls them gods and says they will die like men.So how is it that fallen wicked judges are “go…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 07 2011,16:41)'One True God' is pertaining to 'God above Gods – Almighty God, to distinguish YHVH from all others who are called God or Mighty Ones'. Why the use of 'True' if there are no others who are less than TRUE?Well then why didn't they say “the True God above” or “the Mighty God above”Why the words “ONLY ONE GOD” if…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,17:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:48)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:40)Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby “he (Jesus) is able even to SUBDUE all things unto himself”. Phil…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,17:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:47)And Jesus is the second “Adam” which means he represents all of mankindListen to your own words Keith.  Jesus REPRESENTS all of mankind.  Jesus also REPRESENTS God.  But he is ne…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,16:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,15:47)And Jesus is the second “Adam” which means he represents all of mankindBut he is neither “all of mankind” nor “God”.Really? But you say…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2011,17:00)And I don't know of a scripture that calls Jesus “the true god” (changed to true god), bu…[Read more]