Quote (david @ Oct. 18 2008,14:55)OH, WHICH ONES WJ, THE GREEK ONES, THE ARAIMAIC ONES, MAYBE THE LATIN ONES….oh, that's right….NONE OF THESE LANGAUGES HAVE THE INDEFINITE ARTICLE….HENCE, THE VERY VERY VERY VERY INTERESTING COPTIC VERSION, ONE THAT IS MORE SPECIFIC… So we are to trash thousands of manuscripts written over hundreds of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 18 2008,15:33)WJ, (Regarding your NWT link) I see you're not really paying attention to what this thread is about.  There's probably a couple threads already on attempting to discredit the NWT.No, what this thread is about is your trying to grasp for straws to prove that your NWT correctly interprets John 1:1c as “a god”.None…[Read more]

Hi GMThe apologist writes…Quote (gollamudi @ Oct. 18 2008,22:18) But why, Kuschel asks, do readers leap from “word” to “Son”? The text simply reads, “In the beginning was the word,” not “In the beginning was the Son.” The substitution of “Son” for “word,” which for millions of readers appears to be an automatic reflex, has had dramatic conseque…[Read more]

Hi All.Here is some links about the Coptic version.David's attempt to claim the NWT and a few other translations of John 1:1c as “the Word was “a” God”.is a violation of the scripures and the Monotheistic faith of John and the Apostles who followed Yahshua and were eyewitnesses of him and claimed that he was and is God.Coptic version.NWTCoptic…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,11:13)Quote Thanks for bringing this up. I was unaware of this Coptic version.Sigh….another “version” of the truth.No, Mandy, not another version of the truth.  Either God is a trinity or he isn't.  While many Bible's translate John 1:1 as Jesus being “with God” and at the same time being that very same “God” that h…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 17 2008,12:35)I think that translating John 1:1c as “a god” also would be unpopular to the Hebrews that believed there is only one “True God”.Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,16:39)What if I said: “I believe there is only one true Captain of the enterprise–William Shatner.”You'd of course know and understand what I mean.…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,16:34)Quote I have written on this topic here.WJ, are you Robert?  Are you saying you're the one who wrote about Horner on that website or that that is your website?Hi DavidI also have responded to this question here!I will paste the response….Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2008,13:03)Quote (david @ Oct. 07…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,12:32)I'm still not understanding your logic.  The devil wanted Jesus to “falsely” worship him…you mean like, only pretend worship him, or not really worship him.No, I'm pretty sure the devil wanted an act of worship directed towards him.actually, what do you mean by “falsely proskyneo him.”David You know what I…[Read more]

Hi DavidI have already commented on the Coptic version….here…I will post it again…Hi DavidQuote (david @ Oct. 06 2008,18:32)Therefore, it is all the more strange that insights of the Sahidic Coptic text of John 1:1 are largely ignored by popular Bible translators. Might that be because the Sahidic Coptic Gospel of John translates John 1:1c…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,12:14)Quote This is the only scripture that Yahshua gives us about “True Worship”.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship (proskuneo) him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24“Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you mus…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,12:08)Quote DavidSince the Father is “invisible” who is being worshipped here?…Perhaps you could explain your reasoning a little better.  Yes, the Father is invisible to human fleshly eyes.  I can't see him, can you.  Nor can I see Jesus.  I'm not a spirit.  They are.  As are the angels.1 JOHN 3:2“Beloved ones, n…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,11:32)Quote DavidNo, you know he never did forbid worship to him nor point them to the Father when he was being worshipped.Not Once.WJHe never directed worship to himself, but rather to the Father, as you know.  But I was referring to you using the word “worship” as though you saying that word proves proskyneo means…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,11:32)Quote DavidNo, you know he never did forbid worship to him nor point them to the Father when he was being worshipped.Not Once.WJHe never directed worship to himself, but rather to the Father, as you know.  But I was referring to you using the word “worship” as though you saying that word proves proskyneo means…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 17 2008,11:10)Quote Yes, and remember many times the people gave glory to Yahshua and bowed down and “worshipped” him for the works he done, and not once can you find where Yahshua forbid them to do so.WJ, you know better than this.David No, you know he never did forbid worship to him nor point them to the Father when he was…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 17 2008,10:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 17 2008,10:35)Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 17 2008,10:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 17 2008,08:16)What did Yahshua pray? He said the Father always heard him but for their sakes he prayed. He saw what the Father was doing and he did it.But he still prayed….and asked….The Father…..to…[Read more]

Quote (Tiffany @ Oct. 17 2008,10:37)Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 17 2008,10:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 17 2008,08:16)What did Yahshua pray? He said the Father always heard him but for their sakes he prayed. He saw what the Father was doing and he did it.But he still prayed….and asked….The Father…..to raise Lazarus.Why didn't Jesus just stand…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 17 2008,10:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 17 2008,08:16)What did Yahshua pray? He said the Father always heard him but for their sakes he prayed. He saw what the Father was doing and he did it.But he still prayed….and asked….The Father…..to raise Lazarus.Why didn't Jesus just stand on his own power and do the job and…[Read more]

Hi MandyQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 17 2008,04:28)The words “I can do nothing of my self” means Yahshua simply did nothing apart from the Fathers will or what he sees the Father do.Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, “but what he seeth the Father do”: for what things soever…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 17 2008,04:12)Hi Keith,Quote But again the “Arians” will explain away Yahshua’s simple words with apologetics.”Jesus answered and said unto them”, Destroy this temple, and in three days “I will raise it up”. I'm not sure if I'm “Arian” and I don't know a lot of apologetics, but if Jesus was able to pray (and ask God) to raise…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 17 2008,04:12)Hi Keith,Quote But again the “Arians” will explain away Yahshua’s simple words with apologetics.”Jesus answered and said unto them”, Destroy this temple, and in three days “I will raise it up”. I'm not sure if I'm “Arian” and I don't know a lot of apologetics, but if Jesus was able to pray (and ask God) to raise…[Read more]