Hi AllThe following is a link to a NY times article concerning the Coptic and one of the oldest finds.It is in Adobe format, so you will need to have Adobe reader.Click Here!

Hi DavidQuote (david @ Nov. 04 2008,13:44)Add to this the apostate political deeply a part of the world establishement that ruled for so long, and that crushed people that went against it, how was anyone to argue?  Sure, there are many English translation of Bibles written by trinitarians a thousand years later, who translate John 1:1 as “God.”…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 04 2008,13:12)WJ, of course, English is unambiguous, as it has the definite and indefinite articles.  GREEK DOESN'T.  Let me repeat that for the 43d time.  GREEK DOESN'T.No David. The Greek language is not ambiguous; it is the interpretation of it. Haven’t you figured that out yet?Do you think the Apostle John was being ambi…[Read more]

Hi DavidQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2008,10:10)After all the Greek word used by the Apostle John in writing John 1:1c is “Theos”, which means “God” not godlike or divine.Quote (david @ Nov. 03 2008,06:45)Forgot to address this, because it is ridiculously absurd. Is it absurd David?Can you show me an example in scripture where the Greek w…[Read more]

Hi DavidI said…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2008,10:10)“Less ambiguous”? So again David…IS THE COPTIC VERSION OF JOHN 1:1C WITHOUT AMBIGUITY? If not then your argument is circular David, AND IS JUST A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO PROVE THE NWT AS BEING A VALID TRANSLATION OF JOHN 1:1 WHICH ALSO SHOWS YOUR OWN BIAS WHILE YOU ACCUSE THE ENGLISH T…[Read more]

Hi DavidI have been away and very busy, but I see you have plastered the sight with all kinds of interesting stuff.I am looking forward to addressing some of your points as time allows.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 18 2008,01:58) This is a distortion of the truth. The whole point of John 1:1c not having the definite article is to show that “The…[Read more]

HI ALLShort of a miracle or some huge disaster, the USA will have a new President which will make Mr Wienland a liar and a false prophet and he will have to eat some pie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxIhXjIqmiIWJ

Hi DavidQuote (david @ Oct. 22 2008,17:59)Are you suggesting the coptic version is less ambiguous than latin, Greek, aramaic, etc when it comes to John How can anything be “less ambiguous”? It is either ambiguous or it is unambiguous. Quote (david @ Oct. 22 2008,17:59)I've decided you're wrong on this point because you worship Jesus. And I have…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2008,09:30)Hi WJ, So from the principle of sons are always exactly like their father in nature you sidestep to sons behave like their father?Why?NHThe question was…Can you give me one example in scripture where the “Sons of God” who have divine qualities or attributes are called 'Theos”, God, other than the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2008,09:30)Hi WJ, So from the principle of sons are always exactly like their father in nature you sidestep to sons behave like their father?Why?NHWhat are you saying? Is your Son human? Or is he part human?WJ

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2008,08:52)Hi WJ, Are all the angelic sons of God, GOD?Hi NHCan you give me one example in scripture where the “Sons of God” who have divine qualities or attributes are called 'Theos”, God, other than the Father and Yahshua?WJ

Quote (Tiffany @ Oct. 23 2008,08:13)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2008,12:05)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 21 2008,11:04)WJ……Jesus said He had a God, do you think it was Himself? He said I am going to (MY GOD) and YOUR GOD, (MY FATHER) and YOUR FATHER. He also said for (THOU) art the (ONLY) true GOD. The word (ONLY) means no other, The word…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 21 2008,11:04)WJ……Jesus said He had a God, do you think it was Himself? He said I am going to (MY GOD) and YOUR GOD, (MY FATHER) and YOUR FATHER. He also said for (THOU) art the (ONLY) true GOD. The word (ONLY) means no other, The word (THOU) means not the person saying it. How many plain scriptures do you have to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 21 2008,11:04)WJ……Jesus said He had a God, do you think it was Himself? He said I am going to (MY GOD) and YOUR GOD, (MY FATHER) and YOUR FATHER. He also said for (THOU) art the (ONLY) true GOD. The word (ONLY) means no other, The word (THOU) means not the person saying it. How many plain scriptures do you have to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 21 2008,10:39)The Lord Jesus Christ is not your God and he never told you to worship him but he did describe true worshipers.No he is my Lord and God. But apparantly he is not yours.WJ

Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2008,11:39)That's dishonest WJ. And fallacious thinking.No its dishonest of you to bring up the Coptic version and promote it as being “Unambiguous” while trying to convince us it has nothing to do with your devotion to the NWT or Watchtower. WJ

Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2008,08:29)Which is why people that are concerned with the truth (and not tradition) are so interested in the coptic translation.  Sure, they're not the earliest, although they are very early.  THEY'RE SIMPLY THE MOST PRECISE, when it comes to John 1:1 for example.Well, so they are all wrong except the Coptic! Which means t…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Oct. 20 2008,10:31)1)  proskuneo is used in a true sense in the following verse: “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (proskuneo) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”As you can see that those who will…[Read more]

Hi APQuote Thus also in John 1:1, “In the beginning God had a plan and that plan was within God’s heart “and was itself ‘God’ ” — that is, God in His self-revelation.Taken from AP's link emphasis mine…here…Ok AP so the plan of God was God, so did the plan of God which was God “cease to be God” when it came in the flesh? So then God was with hi…[Read more]