WITQuote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 06 2009,10:02)WorshippingJesus,Your faith is amazing, but your logic is quite circular.This of course is your opinion. But what is more important? You’re Faith or your logic? The roots of the Judeo–Christian faith, is Abrahan was to offer his son up for a sacrifice to YHWH. What if Abraham would have “doubted” that Go…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 06 2009,05:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2009,12:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 06 2009,03:06)Hi all,Since this is the trinity thread I will post here some of my concerns of the trinity doctrine. I am not trying to pick on the trinitarians here, many of my friends and family are trinitarians.We all know that the word…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2009,07:38)WJ, Why would anyone encourage another to teach beyond scripture and risk the wrath of God?NHDoes one have to totally agree with your doctrine to find encouragement?WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2009,07:27)WJ, The whole counsel of God does not include any trinity? So why do you accept it?Must you?Hi NHA little encouragement every now and then would be better than a constant attack wouldn't you say? WJ

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 06 2009,06:07)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2009,23:54)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 06 2009,01:30)WorshippingJesus wrote:Quote Hi CharityThe Father was not the killer!Jesus wasn't a beggar!The Lamb is alive!WJAccording to the logic that you have laid out in this thread, the Father was no different from the killers.  Much…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 06 2009,01:30)WorshippingJesus wrote:Quote Hi CharityThe Father was not the killer!Jesus wasn't a beggar!The Lamb is alive!WJAccording to the logic that you have layed out in this thread, the Father was no different from the killers.  Much like the man who stands by while someone gets raped in front of him, the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 05 2009,07:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 05 2009,03:45)Hi guys,Thanks for thinking this through with me.I believe that something that is created is going to have a different nature than its creator.  Something that is born on the other hand is going to have the same nature of the one he came from.That's the difference.  The S…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 06 2009,03:06)Hi all,Since this is the trinity thread I will post here some of my concerns of the trinity doctrine. I am not trying to pick on the trinitarians here, many of my friends and family are trinitarians.We all know that the word “trinity” is not in the scriptures but there are MANY words in the doctrine that make…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 05 2009,21:18)Kerwin said to WJ:Quote Do you realize where your thought is leading here?   You are implying that God has sex with Mary.   That at least is the message I am hearing.   I would rather say that Jesus was in fact created within Mary’s womb though through a different method that the rest of humanity is.  God…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2009,18:48)WorshipingJesus wrote:Quote Adam was created, not born.Do you realize where your thought is leading here?   You are implying that God has sex with Mary.   That at least is the message I am hearing.   I would rather say that Jesus was in fact created within Mary’s womb though through a different method that the…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ Mar. 05 2009,06:36)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 04 2009,17:57)Quote (charity @ Mar. 04 2009,05:36)Quote (Stu @ Mar. 03 2009,21:14)Surely it is wise to be careful what you pray for?Stuartnice quote stuuPraying REVEALS THE HEARTS ATTITUDESUBCONSCIOUSLY  admitting a lack of faith, and the necessity that one must persuade or…[Read more]

Hi KathiRespectfully I disagree with you because I do not believe there is any umambiguous scriptures that shows the prexisting God that was with God had a begining. IMO part of the nature of what makes God God is he is infinite and eternal. Therefore for Jesus do be all that the Father is in nature would mean the same.But I realy do appreciate…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 04 2009,18:26)Keith,I have tears in my eyes….big ones!  Of course I forgive you (but I honestly forget why I need to?)     That's what brother's and sister's do – they just love each other anyway.  Forgive me, too, okay?  I need to show more respect for your beliefs.  I don't have to be so sassy all the time (really I dont&…[Read more]

Hi allHere is where the confusion is.Everything that exist is created, including that which is born.An example of this is we are born again by the Spirit. John 3:3Yet we read…And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is “created” in righteousness and true holiness. Eph 4:23, 24and have put on the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 04 2009,22:08)WorshippingJesus wrote:Quote Because a man doesn't beget a lessor man.So according to your reasoning Adam is God.Like 3:38(NIV) reads:Quote Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.Hi KerwinAdam was created, not born.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 04 2009,09:13)Quote (Gene @ Mar. 03 2009,13:05)Lu………thats only if you assume the word (WORD) is referring to Jesus , Ask you self this question If John meant Jesus why didn't He simply say Jesus. He know who Jesus was all the time. He didn't put Jesus there because his wasn't talking about Jesus. This is what man has…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ Mar. 04 2009,05:36)Quote (Stu @ Mar. 03 2009,21:14)Surely it is wise to be careful what you pray for?Stuartnice quote stuuPraying REVEALS THE HEARTS ATTITUDESUBCONSCIOUSLY  admitting a lack of faith, and the necessity that one must persuade or operate God as ta control panel.Hi charityJesus must not of had very much faith then,…[Read more]

Hi TimQuote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 01 2009,00:19)I am sorry WJ.So am I. It saddens me that it has come to this. Tim I can honestly say that I have never intentionally misrepresented someone or purposely lied against anyone on this sight in the over 2 years and 5000+ post I have made.And I really do not remember calling anyone a liar here. I am a little…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 28 2009,14:20)WJClearly it is not true that you cannot judge god.  At the very least I would suspect that you have judged your god as 'good'.  Are you only capable of obsequiousness in regard to this deity that orders assassinations like a common mafia boss?StuartStuConsidering that God is all-knowing and all-powerful and that h…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 28 2009,17:19)Hi Keith,I went back and re-read our dialog together.  I see that I am essentially saying the same thing over and over again, which tells me that I don't think you are hearing me.  And maybe you can't hear me because you are angry tonight?  Quote I have accepted that God cannot be called a murderer regardless of…[Read more]