Quote (Gene @ April 19 2009,14:55)WJ……………….Why does Jesus say in Like manor, You say Jesus is GOD right, But Jesus said He could do (NOTHING) by HIMSELF, Scripture say GOD does (ALL) things after the council of HIS (OWN) Will. why does Jesus who you say is GOD need to do any thing Like the FATHER if He himself is a GOD as you assert.…[Read more]

Hi KerwinQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2009,06:33)None of what you post makes any sense to me. Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2009,08:28)I believe you do not understand my post since I was pointing out Jesus did not have the ability(authority) to send the Spirit to those who believed in him until he had “gone away”.And yet Jesus breathed on the…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ April 18 2009,22:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2009,18:08)Quote (Gene @ Mar. 17 2009,16:22)Seeking …….Yes Elohim (behaves as one or a singular) as our Bodies do, but they are made up of many parts, Our car behave as one car but are made up of many components, but we control it, The word Elohim is a representation of the…[Read more]

Quote (Texas @ April 19 2009,00:24)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 18 2009,20:13)“preponderance of scriptural evidence”. Sorry Texas but that is laughable. Seriously. The “evidence” you speak of is so tenuous as to be summarily dismissed by almost all knowledgeable Bible students outside of the Watchtower, and for them it's a presupposition. In 1…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2009,18:49)Worshipping Jesus wrote:Quote Where is the scriptural evidence for your statements? For instance,If you read this and consider that John is speaking of the coming of the Holy Spirit which only happens after Jesus’ ascends to heaven then you will realize John is prophesying of what will be and not what was at t…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 18 2009,14:05)WJ…..why did Jesus say God the Father was greater the him then, and say he could do nothing of himself if He is God himself, doesn't scripture say GOD does all things after the council of His own WILL, and Jesus said He came not to DO His will but the will of Him who sent Him. 1Co 15:27….> For he hath put all…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 18 2009,07:09)Surely you believe Jesus is a “Supreme Being” don't you?Now show me any other example that “theos” is used for a supreme being. If you can't then the whole Idea that because other beings are referred to as “gods” Jesus cannot be “The True God” is a strawman especially when scriptures clearly call him…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2009,15:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,15:44)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2009,04:43)I do not know if the term would be biological but I would not put GOD in a box and say that He couldn't give birth through Himself and produce a literal born offspring.  I see that as totally possible after all life comes…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 18 2009,04:06)WJ…………..Please explain these them in light of your fear and trembling belief. Seems we have a contradiction of scriptures then right? Should we throw these out of out bibles. Something is wrong some where WJ.1 John 4:18….> There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 18 2009,07:09)Surely you believe Jesus is a “Supreme Being” don't you?Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2009,08:09) I do not believe Jesus is a “Supreme Being” as I only believe there is one “Supreme Being” and that is the Father.  Perhaps my idea of a “Supreme Being” is different than yours.Ok fair enough. But remember we…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 18 2009,08:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 18 2009,06:19)The simple confounds the wise.Stu says that it is foolish to believe that Jesus rose from the dead , yet he believes that everything including life came from nothing and death. Good one WJ.Either way someone or something rose from the dead.Hi t8Thanks.I think it takes…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2009,04:43)I do not know if the term would be biological but I would not put GOD in a box and say that He couldn't give birth through Himself and produce a literal born offspring.  I see that as totally possible after all life comes from Him and He even gave life to dust why couldn't He reproduce, He invented it after…[Read more]

Hi KerwinQuote (kerwin @ April 17 2009,20:32)“Theos” as I mentioned is not so reserved.Can you give me an example?WJ

Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2009,20:32)Worshipping Jesus:Quote BTW is satan a supreme being to you?Are you making up things.  I don't believe the bible states anything about anyone but the Father being a supreme being and that only because it refers to Him as almighty which is “Shadday” in Hebrew or “Pantokrator” in Greek.  I cannot be sure since I h…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 18 2009,04:06)WJ…………..Please explain these them in light of your fear and trembling belief. Seems we have a contradiction of scriptures then right? Should we throw these out of out bibles. Something is wrong some where WJ.1 John 4:18….> There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 18 2009,00:29)Quote (Stu @ April 16 2009,23:59)I don’t believe in any of these options.  I have already explained this to you on at least two occasions.  You are ready to judge me against strawmen of what I believe.  What does that say about you, t8?OK. Thanks for being forthcoming, I must have missed your previous revealing of t…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,20:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,19:37)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,18:55)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,17:29)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43)Quote (epistemaniac @ April 17 2009,04:34)nope… Jesus DID NOT say that Quote THEE ONLY TRUE GODif for no other reason than that…[Read more]

Hi KerwinBTW is satan a supreme being to you?Is satan a “true theos” or a usurper, or an imposter?Do you think that to Paul he was meaning satan was “a god” or a “false god” which is not a god at all?For Paul also said…So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that “THERE IS NO GOD…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,18:55)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 17 2009,17:29)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 17 2009,16:43)Quote (epistemaniac @ April 17 2009,04:34)nope… Jesus DID NOT say that Quote THEE ONLY TRUE GODif for no other reason than that Jesus did not speak Elizabethan English ;)since the bible elsewhere says that Jesus is God,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 17 2009,18:07)Worshipping Jesus wrote:Quote Can you supply “ONE Scripture” that ascribes the term God, “Theos” to a suppreme being other than the Father and Jesus.As you can see at one point scripture even calls Satan “theos”.  God uses the word to make a point and the context determines the point he is making.2 Corinthians…[Read more]