Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2009,11:55)Quote (david @ April 02 2009,02:32)Quote The Son is equal to God but not equal to GOD.  See the difference?  –kathi.Actually, I'm having trouble seeing it.Quote and that one true GOD has had a son who shares His nature and perfection and is called “God” by His Father. Kathi, I'm curious to know where you b…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 27 2009,22:02)To all,Some on Heaven Net claim to follow the trinity doctrine yet do not completely agree with every statement within it.  That would make the doctrine “true-ish” but not completely true.  Therefore, a doctrine that is not completely true is a false doctrine.  We are not to follow such doctrines.What do ot…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2009,21:38)Hi TT, So not only did we miss one version of this trinity in scripture but two? What a full time job it is patching the leaks in this condemned vessel.Hi NH     Sometimes your post are so ludicrous they are funny. WJ

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2009,12:32)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2009,17:42)Hi bodhithartaSorry but IMO your post is so full of holes I don't even know where to start. One thing is very obvious to me though, and that is you do not understand anything about what a Trinitarian believes. No surprise though.Most do not try to understand or…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2009,17:54)Hi WJ, God was in Christ. Was it your trinity god within him? Would that not make four.Hi NHYou still building that strawman?Jesus is in the Father. So does that mean the Father is not God?WJ

Hi bodhithartaSorry but IMO your post is so full of holes I don't even know where to start. One thing is very obvious to me though, and that is you do not understand anything about what a Trinitarian believes. No surprise though.Most do not try to understand or even listen. When they see the word Trinitarian or worshipping Jesus they just shut you…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 26 2009,09:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2009,14:24)Quote (SEEKING @ April 26 2009,05:33)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2009,10:25)Thinker,Not only are you mean spirited, but you misrepresent people, and you are arrogant.  You are very small in my mind right now.  Plus you are vulgar!!!  May the Lord spare you.The fr…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 26 2009,09:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2009,14:24)Quote (SEEKING @ April 26 2009,05:33)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2009,10:25)Thinker,Not only are you mean spirited, but you misrepresent people, and you are arrogant.  You are very small in my mind right now.  Plus you are vulgar!!!  May the Lord spare you.The fr…[Read more]

Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 26 2009,09:22)Way to go Keith, a short post You said this:Quote When Jesus came in the flesh he became the “Image of the invisible God”. He said so himself in John 14 to Philip.Keith, where does it say that he “became” the image.  That seems to imply that He wasn't beforehand but became it.  That contradicts t…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ April 26 2009,05:33)Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2009,10:25)Thinker,Not only are you mean spirited, but you misrepresent people, and you are arrogant.  You are very small in my mind right now.  Plus you are vulgar!!!  May the Lord spare you.The fruit of the Spirit is a greater sign of relationship to the one true God than is the ca…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 26 2009,08:11)Lightenup said:Quote My belief is this:There is One GOD (the Father who always existed)There is One God (the Son of God is God by nature…GOD begat God)There are many gods…who by nature are no gods at all.Kathi,That part of your statement I have put in bold is a trinitarian statement. When you say that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2009,03:37)Hi Keith,This one will be a Saturday morning breakfast meeting Enjoy your breakfast! Bacon and eggs I hope. Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2009,03:37)I agree that James White bases his theology and you base the eternal existence of the second person of the trinity on John 1:1-3.  I believe that I have given you…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 25 2009,22:10)This could be wrong.  Given the evidence we have, it is a reasonable model:Quote From p.97 of Black Holes and Baby Universes and Other Essays by Stephen Hawking:THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSEWhen the universe was a single point, like the North Pole, it contained nothing. Yet there are now at least ten-to-the-eightieth…[Read more]

Hi bodhithartaIts pretty bad that you create a whole thread to attack me!But have at it.Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2009,04:25)The true Gospel is not popular but Christianity blossomed under a different Gospel advanced by the Catholic Church and Rome, as well as the Greek Orthodox church. The majority of the world claims Christianity as its…[Read more]

Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 25 2009,08:37)Hi Keith,I had to pack a lunch to get through those last two posts. Thanks for all that time.  LOL that’s funny. I gues you better pack dinner You give me so much to respond to. I am gonna be gracious and leave my quotes out for the sake of shortening the post. Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 20…[Read more]

Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 24 2009,02:56)The things that will perish are the earth which He made (He was used to form it) and apparently the sun and moon (it says we will have no need for them).The heavens also will pass away and melt with fervent heat. 2 Peter 3:10-12 The heavens were created in Gen 1:1. Jesus was there.Quote (Lightenup @…[Read more]

Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 24 2009,02:56)He was used to make the one we stand on, He made it go from formless and void to formed and inhabited.  In that sense I believe He made this world.  I don't believe that He was used to make the formless world but He began after the formless world existed. Kathi, you say that James White is putting a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2009,08:56)Hi, I have copied BD's post to hereHe said”The scripture does not say that the Head of Christ is God the Father. It says that the Head of Christ is GODso why did you add “the Father” when it says The head of Christ is God.Your belief about Jesus is very Hindu and their Trinity Doctrine predates yours. Your…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2009,07:02)Hi TT, So now monogenes means FIRSTBORN SON?Hi NHMonogenes means “Unique One” or “Only One”.The “monogenes” Son is the “unique Son” or “Only Son”.The NET explains it here…Although this word is often translated “only begotten,” such a translation is misleading, since in English it appears to express a met…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 23 2009,14:08)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2009,13:54)Thayer's Greek Lexicon:́ kurios 1) he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord1a) the possessor and disposer of a thing1a1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master1a2) in the state: the sovereign, prince,…[Read more]