Quote (Gene @ May 13 2009,12:50)WJ…………….> No WJ, i do not see GOD as a mere MAN and Jesus did not see him as a mere man either, What you are not seeing is the THE FATHER WAS (IN) JESUS not that JESUS WAS THE FATHER as you suppose. SO are we also GODS, are we not made in the image of GOD, AS Jesus WAS. WJ, a person can talk their way…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 09 2009,02:43)WJ………….An image is (NOT) the same Person its imagining , it is a reflection or mirror of that person, SO your own word prove Jesus is not (TRUE) GOD.  Not to mention Jesus said it himself when he prayed saying “FOR THOU ART THE (only) TRUE GOD”.  GO look in the mirror and tell me is that really you in the m…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ May 09 2009,19:22)Thanks WJ, but it is way off and very naughty of you to agree with it.First off it says that Heaven Net is promoting that Jesus is not divine and that we are an offshoot of the WWCOG. Lets be honest here t8. They did not use the word “divine”. So their statement is true, for as you know they believe there is onl…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 09 2009,08:57)http://www.christianforums.com/t7317213-10/This link leads to a forum where a member with a so-called “reputation beyond repute” gives his summary about heaven.net.nzHis stats are as follows:Name: yeshuasavedmeStatus: Senior VeteranPosts: 4,941Blessings: 16,694Reps: 203,054,887 (power: 203,063)Here is what he…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ May 08 2009,01:24)Quote (Gene @ May 08 2009,05:10)They worship the messenger but don't hear the message. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………….geneAmazing point my brother Gene. They lost the true gospel preached by our Lord.Thanks and love to youAdamHi GMSorry! You and Gene are not the “ONLY ONES” here…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ May 07 2009,13:10)Adam………Anyone who tries to separated Jesus' (exact) likeness of us is anti-Christ, When we see Jesus as ONE of US a flesh and blood human being exactly like us in every way, then and only then can we see, the power and perfecting of our GOD and HIS GOD our FATHER and HIS FATHER. The gospel is not about Jesus,…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ April 29 2009,16:26)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,10:29)Hi E, Simplicity is an important Key and we are told to become as children so thanks.God was a man you say.God alone is immortal so what of your god that died? Why did Jesus not tell folks to pray to him and not the Father in heaven.Why did Jesus not tell people to…[Read more]

Hi bodhithartaQuote (bodhitharta @ April 28 2009,15:21)Is Jesus both God and The Angel of the Lord? Yes or No?Look up the Hebrew word for Angel, and see what it means.WJ

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2009,13:15)Hi t8Can you see how circular your argument is?The answer to your question…Quote (t8 @ April 28 2009,12:14)Why is that doctrine pushed…In you own words are…Quote (t8 @ April 28 2009,12:14)It is necessary to defend the doctrine of Christ, even if it causes division.WJHi t8Quote (t8 @ April 28…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2009,12:56)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2009,02:24)Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2009,05:50)Worshipping Jesus wrote:Quote Just another form of false doctrine then, for it is not scripturally perfect or sound because there is a whole lot of inference.The trinity doctrine at best in an inferred doctrine and at worse is…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ April 28 2009,10:24)Hi W.J.  Question, please prove to me the Doctrine of the Trinity. I have not found the trinity present in scripture. And what about Ephesians 4:6 The Father is above all. That incudes Jesus. Christ Himself states ” the Father is grater then I.” Yet the trinity doctrine is that they are equal in power. Peace and…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 28 2009,12:14)To enforce, believe, or teach a doctrine that is not taught in scripture is not only unnecessary, but is detrimental because of unnecessary division.It is not wise to cause division that is not necessary.It is necessary to defend the doctrine of Christ, even if it causes division.Derek Price once said, that…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 28 2009,10:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 27 2009,16:03)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2009,12:32)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2009,17:42)Hi bodhithartaSorry but IMO your post is so full of holes I don't even know where to start. One thing is very obvious to me though, and that is you do not understand anything…[Read more]

Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 26 2009,12:27)Oh Keith, Now you are saying that the Father looked like Jesus, a person with brown hair, brown eyes probably.  If that is the case why does He say this: No Kathi, I am simply quoting Jesus own words.If you really knew me, “YOU WOULD KNOW  MY FATHER AS WELL. FROM NOW ON, YOU DO KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEE…[Read more]

Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 28 2009,08:35)Keep the main things the main things.  The trinity doctrine goes way beyond that and then holds the big H over people's heads who admit they don't find the trinity doctrine as a simple teaching in scripture. You are following ambiguity, IMO and full force! Yes that is your opinion. Why not use the…[Read more]

Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ April 28 2009,08:35)Keith,I am not attacking you specifically but I am confronting whoever follows a doctrine yet believes it has error but still follows it and defends it with a great deal of effort and time.  Something true-ish is not something to follow and defend.  Satan is happy with slight deviation.  The pr…[Read more]

Hi KathiI am still working on your previous post because you bring up an interesting point.But in response to the verse you quote…Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2009,13:23)Keith, To think that the beginning of John 1:1 has to be before the Light was called forth is a narrower opinion than I believe God had in mind.Of course it is the “narrower” opi…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 28 2009,07:12)Hi WJ, Rather than claiming or disclaiming ISMS why not obey Jesus and the bible? ISMS are just human structures.Hi NHFine with me. Then why do you call me a “Trinitarian”?WJ

Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2009,05:50)Worshipping Jesus wrote:Quote Just another form of false doctrine then, for it is not scripturally perfect or sound because there is a whole lot of inference.The trinity doctrine at best in an inferred doctrine and at worse is completely irrational.If you really mean “inferred” and not “implied” then by…[Read more]

Hi KathiAgain, your point is circular because you classify yourself as a Christian based on your doctrine.For instance your doctrine says that if someone doesnt believe that Jesus rose from the dead then you would say that person is not saved and is not a Christian.But now if someone believes as you do that Jesus died was buried and was raised…[Read more]