Quote (thethinker @ May 26 2009,10:34)Georg said:Quote The Holy Spirit was offered to the gentiles also, Cornelius was only the first.Jesus came to the lost sheep, the house/nation of Israel, only until the 70 weeks were up, Dan. 9:24.Hi Georg,Please show that Cornelius was a gentile. It says that He was a “god fearer” which was an expression used…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2009,21:55)Hi Georg,Interesting thought but I think the angels were created, not begotten and not sharing in the nature of God, they are not the same “kind” as God.  I believe they are created heavenly beings and they were created through the Son, not born of the Son. IMOKathiHi KathiBut you are not talking about the…[Read more]

BTW JMThis is the Debate thread and post should only be posted here where two have agreed to a debate under certain rules.Thought you would like to know!Blessings WJ

Hi AllHere is more information that I came across. Also there is a debate that is very interesting for those who care to read.“Preterism is the theory that all Bible prophecy has been fulfilled. The second coming, resurrection, and last judgment, have been fulfilled in a mystical sense in AD70 — the destruction of Jerusalem. According to p…[Read more]

Hi ThinkerI appologize for the use of the word “crap”. Not the best choice of words. I know that you have put a lot of study into what you believe and I should respect you for that even though I do not agree with you.Hope you accept my appollogy!Blessings WJ

Quote (thethinker @ May 22 2009,17:04)WorshippinJesus said:Quote Not that you have to go with the majority, but there should be convincing evidence to go against the thousands of scholars and commentators, many of whom have spent their entire lives to bring the truth IMO.So far I haven’t seen that kind of evidence.WJ,Allow me to offer you some e…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 22 2009,15:53)WorshippingJesus said:Quote Has the end of all things happened yet? Has the Lord returned yet? Has the earth and heavens melted with fervent heat yet?Greetings WJ,The end of “all things” was a reference to the end of the things of the old covenant, i.e., the things of the Mosaic economy. The Great Baptist C.H.…[Read more]

Quote (Jeremy Marsh @ May 22 2009,10:01)For a while I believed in Trinity. Now I'm starting to doubt it's credibility. After studying Scripture, I've come to believe that Jesus Christ was birthed by God (therefore, he had a beginning) and then created the world. I believe that Jesus is not God, but only the Son. Anybody disagree? Any scriptural…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 21 2009,16:30)thethinker said:Quote Marty,The books of Romans and Corinthians were written to Jewish Christians.thinker WJ replied:Quote Hi ThinkerHow do you figure?Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes, To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 21 2009,12:27)Quote (942767 @ May 20 2009,15:03)Hi thethinker:Also, you say:Quote The Bible never says that Gentiles are members of the body of ChristQuote Rom 12:5 So we, many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.  1Cr 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood…[Read more]

Hi ThinkerQuote (thethinker @ May 21 2009,11:23) This is how I view the futurist's “judicial” explanation. It is a device used by them to postpone the fulfillment of things which were clearly said to be “at hand” from the vantage point of those who originally received the word. God told Ezekiel to tell his contemporaries that “at hand” means in…[Read more]

Hi ThinkerBefore I address your post can you address this one?Hi ThinkerQuote (thethinker @ May 20 2009,14:09) WJ said:Quote Besides I believe the “evil one” he speaks of is the “devil” which he also mentions twice in the Epistle.Do you believe that Jesus destroyed the works of the devil?Quote For this reason the Son of God was manifested, that He…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 21 2009,10:36)WJ said:Quote I am sorry, I do not see anything in their statements claiming Preterism. Can you show me where they believed everything was fulfilled in 70AD including satan being thrown into the lake of fire and the 1000 year millinium is past?Hi WJ,Please look up the titles from the fathers. Preteristarchive…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 21 2009,10:08)thethinker said:Quote Satan was cast into the lake of fire in ad70.  Kerwin replied:Quote There is not one iota of evidence to back up that conclusion.Kerwin,Not one iota of evidence eh? How about the following,Rev. 3:11, “I am coming quickly“Rev. Rev. 22:10, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this…[Read more]

Hi ThinkerQuote (thethinker @ May 20 2009,14:09) WJ said:Quote Besides I believe the “evil one” he speaks of is the “devil” which he also mentions twice in the Epistle.Do you believe that Jesus destroyed the works of the devil?Quote For this reason the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)It’s o…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 20 2009,14:09)WJ said:Quote I cannot find where any scholar denies the date of 1 John to be earlier than 100-110.WJ,I have directed you to Preteristarchive.com for info on the dating of John's writings. But let's assume for a moment that your 100-110 dating is correct. It would still mean that satan is not around today for…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 20 2009,14:26)WJ said:Quote Did “Now” mean right then when he said the judgment of this world? Did he mean “Now” when he said satan will be driven out?WJ,I direct you to my original statement when I first invoked John 12:31. I said,Quote We may allow enough flexibility to the word “now” for some time to elapse. But not two…[Read more]

Quote (Texas @ May 20 2009,14:05)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 21 2009,05:02)TexasAlso, why would you keep creating new threads on the same subjects? You are just messing up this board. Why dont you search the board first to see if there is a title that you can put your subject under before you created unnecessay threads? Or just create a thread…[Read more]

Hi Thinker The language that John uses shows us that Judicially speaking things can be declared to be that has not yet come to pass.A couple of examples of this is…But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:23We know that the “hour…[Read more]

TexasAlso, why would you keep creating new threads on the same subjects? You are just messing up this board. Why dont you search the board first to see if there is a title that you can put your subject under before you created unnecessay threads? Or just create a thread that says “The truth according to Texas” that would suffice.Just a suggestion. WJ