Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,16:29)Hi WJ, So if Jesus did not say he is NOT his own father we can teach that he is?NHI think that is pretty good evidence being that no other being in the NT scriptures accepted worship, but rather pointed them to God, and if they didn't they were eaten up with worms.WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,06:22)Hi WJ, So you work from what is not said and ignore what Jesus said? Scripture says he is the Son of God and lord of all but that is not what you want to believe?NHIf the Apostles who called Jesus God believed that he wasn't then they sure would at some point said he is not God don't you think?In fact Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 23 2009,09:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 23 2009,13:20)Hi PDQuote (Paladin @ July 22 2009,18:44)Like I have pointed out to you three times now, thinker, the word used in I Cor 15 is PASSIVE, not ACTIVE. If Christ subjects himself, it will be active. HE Submits.If God subjects him, it will be PASSIVE on Christ's part,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2009,23:53)Keith,Quote The very fact that Jesus will at the end be subject to the Father, itself implies that he is not subject to the Father now!That is interesting.  Think about the Son's role now…He is acting as a mediator between us and the Father.  The Father is not telling Him how to mediate therefore the Son i…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ July 22 2009,23:57)CB……………..Find (ONE) scripture where Jesus said He was GOD. I can find you many where He shows us He was (NOT) GOD. He said I am going to MY GOD and YOUR GOD, MY FATHER and YOUR FATHER. How do you get around that, He also said for (THOU) art the (ONLY) (TRUE) GOD. When has the word THOU become ME. CB, come…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ July 22 2009,07:01)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 22 2009,16:01)WorshippingJesus,Let's cut to the chase.This thread is entitled, 'Non believers'.  Are you here to discuss issues that might concern non-believers or not?  If so, do you understand that non-believers don't typically start out believing scripture cover to cover?Again, h…[Read more]

Hi PDQuote (Paladin @ July 22 2009,18:44)Like I have pointed out to you three times now, thinker, the word used in I Cor 15 is PASSIVE, not ACTIVE. If Christ subjects himself, it will be active. HE Submits.If God subjects him, it will be PASSIVE on Christ's part, ACTIVE on God's part. The word-form is PASSIVE, which shows Jesus NOT subjecting…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ July 21 2009,22:05)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,03:54)Quote (Gene @ July 21 2009,11:47)WJ…………Spirit is not a He it is an (IT), it is the intellect of GOD, not a separate person or being as TRINITARIANS think. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………….geneHi GBThanks for your opinion, but it…[Read more]

Hi WITQuote (WhatIsTrue @ July 22 2009,00:01)WorshippingJesus,Let's cut to the chase.I have been cutting to the chase. I have been just as serious and straight forward as I can be.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 22 2009,00:01)This thread is entitled, 'Non believers'.  Are you here to discuss issues that might concern non-believers or not?  I thought t…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,22:04)So you agree that my assertion that there are no gods has exactly the same credibility as your assertion there are/is.StuartSTULets put it this way. My assertion there is a God will not convince you no more than your assertion that there is no God can convince me!WJ

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,20:53)As I explained to you, I am only following your example in asserting that your god does not exist.  My say so should be enough for you, I do not need to present evidence.StuartStuQuote (Stu @ July 21 2009,20:53)My say so should be enough for you, I do not need to present evidence.Ditto.WJ

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,20:56)There are no gods.  How could being a god be a prerequisite to knowing the contents of another's head?StuartSTUBut you claim that everyone who claims to have experienced God and has a relationship with him are basically lying.You can only know for sure that what they are saying is not true if you were God and could…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2009,17:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,04:18)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2009,12:03)Hi WJ, So the Spirit of God poured out is now also the Spirit of Christ and the will of God is that His Spirit would also enliven us in Him in Christ.Hi NHSo God's Spirit became Jesus Spirit?Is there a scripture for…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,19:02)WJI do not need to try your snake oil to observe that it has no real effect on those who claim it DOES have an effect.  I doubt very much you can articulate any act of 'good' that is universally considered to be such, that can ONLY be achieved by a christian.  I don't think you can demonstrate that there is any s…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,19:18)WJI posted links to descriptions of evidence.  Did you read them?You assert that your god rewards those who seek him.  Are these peripheral psychological rewards akin to the placebo effect, or can you actually convince me that they are more than your own imaginings?  Without any independent arbiter like some kind of…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,18:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,10:47)Non-believers with sincere questions is not what is happening here is it?My question about how you justify your position that your faith trumps physical evidence was a sincere one.I don't recall a sincere answer to it.StuartHi STUIf you can't show me physical evidence…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ July 21 2009,17:19)WorshippingJesus wrote:Quote However if I take a scripture like John 14:6 and quote it to a believer in the inspired scriptures then it would be taken “as evidence” that Jesus is the “Only Way” to God and all other ways are false by Jesus own words.I think that this sums up the misunderstanding perfectly.…[Read more]

Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 21 2009,11:33)we know Christ's claims are trueHi You have to understand that STU thinks he is some sort of God that he can possibly know what everyone else knows, thinks or experiences!I look for him to start up his own cult and charge people for his indisputable knowledge of the secrets in the minds and…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,16:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,08:06)Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,15:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,03:37)Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,05:29)WJWhy did you ask for evidence concerning the multiple authorship of the torah?It appears from you answer to WIT that only you can give proof for your own beliefs…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,15:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2009,03:37)Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,05:29)WJWhy did you ask for evidence concerning the multiple authorship of the torah?It appears from you answer to WIT that only you can give proof for your own beliefs but when others show you their evidence your faith just trumps everthing.Are…[Read more]