Quote (Paladin @ June 11 2011,06:36)So tell me WJ, what do you think of wescott and Hort as scholars?Hi PaladinIt doesn't really matter much what I think about Wescott and Hort simply because much of the debate has already been settled over which are the best or more accurate manuscripts. Most modern Translations use eclectic editions and agree…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2011,22:05)Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2011,23:10)Note: I used the lexicons at searchgodsword.com to obtain the definition for logos and rhema.Look at the FIRST definition of both words, Kerwin.  “A word uttered by a living voice”.  If you and Paladin want to claim YOU know about some mystical meaning here and there, feel f…[Read more]

Hi WispringThe problem you and Paladin have is “katabebhka” is the Perfect, Active, Indicative of katabainw and it is the “indicative” that presents a problem because…It is an important distinction to understand, as discussed below, that the only place in which 'time' comes to bear directly upon the tense of a verb is when the verb is in the indic…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ June 10 2011,12:23)Hi WJ,Argument from authority. In this case one who is no longer with us. argument from antiquity. In this case the “the winners” of the theological wars/debates of the early church.   ATR was a member of the Southern Babtist Church. He most certainly was indoctrinated in and held the trinitarian position as…[Read more]

Hi WispringI am busy and will try to get to your post soon. In the mean time I recommend you brush up on the “perfect/indicative”  for “katabainō” (down) in John 6:38Blessings!WJ

Hi AllIf Jesus was not speaking of the world that was created in the Genesis beginning in John 17:5 as Paladin claims, then what about the world he speaks of in verse 24…Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: “for thou lovedst me before the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 10 2011,10:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,01:15)Hi AllI think the Greek of a world renowned Greek Grammarian like AT Robertson out ways any of the anti-preexistence chatter I have seen in this thread.John 17:5…With thine own self (para seautwi). “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the…[Read more]

Hi AllI think the Greek of a world renowned Greek Grammarian like AT Robertson out ways any of the anti-preexistence chatter I have seen in this thread.John 17:5…With thine own self (para seautwi). “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship (cf. Matthew 1:1 ) enjoyed before the…[Read more]

Hi PierreCheck your history, Arians were also guilty of torturing and murdering Trinitarians. Millions of Trinitarians died because of there faith and are still dieing because of their faith to this very day.Hence, after Constantine's death in 337, open dispute resumed again. Constantine's son Constantius II, who had become Emperor of the eastern…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 05 2011,21:41)Which I have now done. So I invite Michael to produce a list of names of murderous trinitarians along with the attendant proof of their pernicious deeds. Bear in mind that this list is to be of subjects who “concocted and developed” the trinity doctrine.Michael, the floor is yours.Hi AllDoes anyone understand…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 07 2011,20:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2011,04:13)But if you insist that I must refer to God always as “they or them” then you must be fair when you refer to a group or unit as they or them.For instance when you refer to the “body” of Christ you should clarify that the Body is made up of “them or they”.Sure I understand…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 07 2011,20:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2011,03:58)Hi t8Okay so you give the same honour/worship to Jesus as you do to the Father?A simple yes or no will suffice.WJNo.I honour/worship God as God, Jesus as the son of God and the Lamb of God, and Moses as a prophet of God.Obviously the honour and worship is different as…[Read more]

PeirreThe point is you said…Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2011,18:51)Christ received is powers from God “but God did not Give him all his own powers” ,only to do what Christ has to be doingThat is not a true statement according to the scriptures I gave you above.Are ALL things in Jesus hands NOW or not?Does Jesus have ALL Authority and Power NOW…[Read more]

PeirreThe point is you said…Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2011,18:51)Christ received is powers from God “but God did not Give him all his own powers” ,only to do what Christ has to be doingThat is not a true statement according to the scriptures I gave you above.Are ALL things in Jesus hands NOW or not?Does Jesus have ALL Authority and Power NOW…[Read more]

Hi WispringThanks for the info and the links! I might point out in your first link some info you left out that is important…B) PRESENT TENSEGreek grammar books often stipulate that present tense expresses progressive or linear action but then they add the proviso that such action is more specifically defined by context and modifiers such as…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 02 2011,19:43)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2011,03:40)So I agree with you as far as man as a messenger (angel), but not that man is an angelic being or in the angelic class of beings. Do you believe that men are in the same class as angelic beings?Then we are in agreement because you now admit that man can be referred to as…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 02 2011,19:43)Why do you accuse Jesus of blasphemy by saying that he is God, when he actually said, 'I am God’s Son'?Hi t8First you will have to prove that calling Jesus God is scripturally blasphemous. It was the unbelieving Jews that said it was blasphemous to call Jesus God. Why do you agree with the unbelieving Jews?So your q…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 06 2011,16:41)Pierre,Are you waiting to love others when their doctrine lines up with what you think.  I think that is a little backwards.  Try loving first and let God take care of the rest.  Foster a spirit of understanding within yourself of why people believe certain things.  Everyone is at a different place in the…[Read more]

Bump for t8 for clarification…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 02 2011,16:50)Now as for you, your post reinforces that God to you is THEM.My post reinforces that they are “One” and that you cannot have one without the other. Therefore I cannot have “God” without Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that my salvation…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 16 2011,20:41)WJ, are you going to call God “Them” instead of “Him” in order to show faith in your own doctrine and to speak English correctly?If not, why not?t8Are you going to be like Mike and ignore my post and answer to your questions only so that you can ask me the same question again?You ask me questions and I answer but you…[Read more]