MandyQuote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 19 2009,13:41)This thread is about the Trinity, so sorry for ranting a bit.  The Trinity was the first step I took on my trek for truth.  I've never turned back and I doubt I ever will……  It all sounds like such nonesense! So much has to be added to the understanding for it to even resemble something a human mind co…[Read more]

T8In relation to Matt 28:19 you said…Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,19:46)I don't know whether it is added in or not, but there is great speculation that it is similar to 1John 5:7 the johanneum comma. Then you cast a shadow on all scriptures when you said…Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,20:34)It is a suspicion, and lets face it, alterations done very…[Read more]

t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 19 2009,04:46)The source obviously wasn't the original source as it quoted the source by which I do not know if there is a digital copy.Look at the end of each paragraph.So in other words the source is not reliable!WJ

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 19 2009,04:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,13:19)t8You keep referring to the Baptismal formula. The question is should the verse be in the text?I have explained to you why the Apostles baptised in Jesus name, but you ignore it and persist on a smoke screen to cast doubt on the verse.Oh, trying to get me on a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 19 2009,04:22)Quote I have explained to you why the Apostles baptised in Jesus name, but you ignore it and persist on a smoke screen to cast doubt on the verse.Must have missed that one. It might surprise you to know that I do not wake up in the morning and say, I wonder what WJ wrote today. I mostly ignore you as I think you have…[Read more]

t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 19 2009,04:06)It is simple. I believe what Paul wrote and you do not. You cannot dance your way out of it. The facts are plain for all to see.But you don't believe what Paul wrote for you believe there are other gods, but Paul said…So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,20:09)WJ, your heart is hardened. You resist scripture.t8Are you looking in the mirror again?WJ

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,20:44)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 19 2009,07:30)You may want to read the fathers….O…that's right….you have rejected your spiritual birthright.Actually I enjoy much writing from the the early fathers, before the Trinity doctrine took hold and Constantine merged paganism with christianity.Some great quotes can be…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,20:34)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,11:49)t8Please show me controversy over Matt 28:19 being in the manuscripts!There is no such evidence!As far as the name, Matt 28:19 speaks of one name “singular” for the three persons all having the “definite article”. In the verse preceeding that Jesus said that all Power was…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,20:06)While you are at it, why don't you add the verse where Jesus said “ye are theos”, and understand why he said it. The word 'theos' is applied to others, but is not always used to denote the Most High God. Only the Father is the most High God. You have real examples of this and you have clear teaching that states this.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,19:38)Quote t8Dance the dance!You didn't show me how the term God being applied to Jesus means he is a different kind. What you did say is…t8 says…”God is prescribed to a particular person, that of the Father.”Your statement seems to imply that the word “God” does not apply to Jesus at all.  And you are still playing…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,19:38)Not misleading at all.I don't know whether it is added in or not, but there is great speculation that it is similar to 1John 5:7 the “Go ye therefore and teach all nations, in my name” is what early sources cite.But lets assume that it is not an added in verse. It still doesn't teach the Trinity doctrine. There is no…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 18 2009,19:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,08:48)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 17 2009,22:26)Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 15 2009,07:30)CA,I checked it out and it's real good. The owner of this site (t8) believes that “God” in John 1:1c should be understood qualitatively. He thinks that this disproves trinitarianism when actually…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,19:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,10:54)t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,00:47)Therefore being the same kind, doesn't equate as being the same person.Of course it doesn't and neither does the title “God” identify the person, right?So your argument is circular.Now all you have to do is show us how the term “God” being…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,19:23)Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 14 2009,06:12)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 13 2009,10:24)Hi WJ, The Spirit takes us back to the teaching of Jesus. He never mentioned any trinity so the spirit you follow is not the Holy spirit?“Baptizing in the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.”Looks like a trinity to…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,19:20)Oops. Apologies. I just realised this post is about the antichrist. I will post my reply above to the appropriate conversation.t8Same here!WJ

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,19:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,10:54)t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,00:47)Therefore being the same kind, doesn't equate as being the same person.Of course it doesn't and neither does the title “God” identify the person, right?So your argument is circular.Now all you have to do is show us how the term “God” being…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 18 2009,19:07)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 19 2009,10:44)Hi JackQuote (thethinker @ Sep. 18 2009,16:57)Jodi's view that death means annihilation necessarily infers that Christ Himself was not risen from sheol. For if His soul was annihilated then another soul would have taken its place in the body in the tomb. That soul…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 18 2009,00:47)Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 18 2009,14:05)that Jesus is the uncreated Logos who being in nature and substance, GodBeing in nature or substance of someone/someone doesn't identify you as that someone. E.g., God is Spirit. He is the one Spirit, (one Spirit, one Faith…).Yet angels are ministering spirits and they…[Read more]

Hi JackQuote (thethinker @ Sep. 18 2009,16:57)Jodi's view that death means annihilation necessarily infers that Christ Himself was not risen from sheol. For if His soul was annihilated then another soul would have taken its place in the body in the tomb. That soul would not have been the soul that was born of Mary nor that suffered and died…[Read more]