Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,16:56)First question.Is Jesus the Heavenly Father according to this verse?t8It doesn't say “heavenly father” does it?WJ

Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,16:40)But he is NOT the Heavenly Father nor the Almighty God.Wrong!Jesus has all authority and power and all things are in his hands and he is the source of all things to the creation!That makes Jesus “Almighty” and “Sovereign” and to all the creation he is God!You see the inconsistency is with you because Isaiah calls…[Read more]

Hey JackVery Good and welcome back! WJ

Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,05:18)The scripture “mighty el and everlasting father” is a scripture that both Trinitarians and Oneness exploit.Trinitarians say that mighty el is tantamount to Almighty God and Oneness say the same thing but also tack on that Jesus is the Father.Both groups are guilty of exploiting this scripture for their own twisted…[Read more]

Quote (david @ June 21 2011,23:05)Zech 12:10 as a trinitarian proof is extremely weak.Not at all when you see the big picture of scripture and especially Johns testimony. The big picture in scriptures reveals Jesus is the originator and sustainer of all things including life.The scriptures reveal to those who have ears to hear that Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 21 2011,20:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 22 2011,11:59)Quote (t8 @ June 21 2011,17:08)Another example is three persons being God, and yet THEY are not THEY, but for some strange illogical reason are HIM.t8This is a logical fallacy since their are many pliral unities we refer to as “them or they”.If I refer to my government I…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 21 2011,17:08)Another example is three persons being God, and yet THEY are not THEY, but for some strange illogical reason are HIM.t8This is a logical fallacy since their are many pliral unities we refer to as “them or they”.If I refer to my government I can say “they or them”.If we say God is our Savour then we may refer to…[Read more]

Quote (david @ June 21 2011,17:40)WJ, your argument is definitely a valid one as far as arguing against the video I presented.  But, how would you address the above.DavidI already have. Since you think Zech 12:10 could be “me or him” then that means to you it is “ambiguous”.I choose to interpret the verse based on Johns entire prologue (which I…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 21 2011,16:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 22 2011,08:30)How many “theos/gods” do you have, believe in and serve David”?WJWJ admitted earlier to theos having other uses, but he did that only because it suited him at the time. t8This is not true at all and I challenge you to show where I have ever said that the word theos/god…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 21 2011,16:30)Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2011,16:06)I do not find it ironic ,if you lie ones Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2011,16:06)I do not find it ironic ,if you lie ones what stop you from do it over and over again? nothingDavidWhat are you saying, that I am lying when I said “God bringing birth to gods” has its…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2011,16:06)I do not find it ironic ,if you lie ones Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2011,16:06)I do not find it ironic ,if you lie ones what stop you from do it over and over again? nothingDavidWhat are you saying, that I am lying when I said “God bringing birth to gods” has its roots in Greek Mythology?How many…[Read more]

Quote (david @ June 18 2011,15:16)SO, is it “me” or is it “him”?Hi DavidTake your pick. I believe it is “me” because the prologue of John starts with “the Word was with God and the Word was God” and near the end of Johns testimony we see Thomas calling Jesus his Lord and God without rebuke or correction by John or Jesus, then John said concerning…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2011,08:10)Mike…………..Kind of like you and your root and offspring of David thing right,  So i would not be so hard on the trinitarians when you preexistence are doing the same thing right?.peace and love……………………………geneGBTrue. They believe Jesus was “a god” born or created by God before…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 20 2011,18:06)Quote So that means to you that Mary is the mother of “a god” right?Actually WJ, that is reinforcement of my post.Mary was the mother of Jesus humanity, but the Trinity Doctrine aided the doctrine that she was the mother of God because that doctrine says that Jesus is God.t8 But you said…Quote (t8 @ June 14…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 21 2011,11:31)You cannot possibly make such a statement unjless you know how many are in each category; and give evidence that causes you to express your conclusion.Hi PaladinSure I can, just as you can make the claim that you’re Greek is better and more honest than AT Robertson’s is.You said..Quote What else would you exp…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 21 2011,08:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,02:54)Quote (Paladin @ June 10 2011,10:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 11 2011,01:15)Hi AllI think the Greek of a world renowned Greek Grammarian like AT Robertson out ways any of the anti-preexistence chatter I have seen in this thread.John 17:5…With thine own self…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 20 2011,01:10)Jesus is God, therefore his mother must be the Mother of God.HaHa t8But you said…Quote (t8 @ June 14 2011,17:49)Actually I believe that Jesus is theos/god.So that means to you that Mary is the mother of “a god” right?  WJ

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2011,20:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2011,11:10)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 16 2011,02:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2011,05:56)Hi Tim,I don't agree that God is everywhere, or in everything, or that everything is in Him.  God created things that are separate beings from Him.  God is in heaven, while His c…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 16 2011,19:43)I think we can all agree that it is a fulfillment WJ.But as being YHWH. Absolutely not.There is one God the Father WJ and the verse quoted is not saying that YHWH will hang on a tree.How absurd. When does the madness end?t8There is no madness in the fact that when the OT scriptures speak of YHWH that it can be…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2011,06:26)I have no idea why you believe Jesus is called God as Jahovah is God in scripture.Hi KerwinBecause the reality is Jesus currently rules supreme over all for "all authority and power", including all judgment is in his hands!Unlike satan who is called the god of this world and who appears as an angel of light and…[Read more]