Quote (david @ June 24 2011,22:54)Repeatedly the Scriptures refer to God as Savior. At Isaiah 43:11 God even says: “Besides me there is no savior.” Since Jesus is also referred to as Savior, are God and Jesus the same? Not at all. Titus 1:3, 4 speaks of “God our Savior,” and then of both “God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.” So, both are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2011,21:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,10:33)If all we need is “good logic” to understand the scriptures then why did Jesus have to send the “Spirit of truth”?Many think they know by the scriptures who Jesus is, but the scriptures clearly teach without the Holy Spirit of truth to reveal him then they do not…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,18:19)How many Saviors do you have?Let me answer your own question.You have three according to your doctrine.The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.Not true, because the difference is Trinitarians believe “They are our theos/god” and “They are our Saviour” because you cannot have the “One” without the other, for they are “One”.B…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,18:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2011,09:31)How many Saviors do you have?YHWH saved me through Jesus Christ.YHWH is the true saviour. Therefore one saviour who uses multiple agencies.t8First of all does that mean that Jesus is not “The True Saviour”? Assuming that you believe YHVH exclusively means the Father, the…[Read more]

Moved Here

David You are right. It has gotten off topic so I created a new thread and Moved it here…

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,11:02)Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,21:34)God is the ultimate savior.t8 The scriptures do not claim as you say that the Father is the “ultimate” Savior so he gives us another “Savior”! But once again without the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit you have no Savior.Again, how many Saviors do you have?Jesus is the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,16:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2011,06:21)JAThank you for verifying the truth that Jesus is YHVH.The scriptures emphatically claim it was by Jesus own life and blood that saved us for himself and that there is only “One Savior”.while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of “our great God and S…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,16:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,08:58)Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,16:56)First question.Is Jesus the Heavenly Father according to this verse?t8It doesn't say “heavenly father” does it?WJThank you for taking the bait.I now reel you in with, “It doesn't say the Almighty (God) Elohim” does it.t8 So what are you…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,16:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,09:11)By the way t8, do you call Jesus your Mighty God? WJActually I don't call him that but have no problem with saying it the way it is meant here.Do you call him the Everlasting Father? Again, I do not, but have no problem with saying that in the context it was meant.t8His…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 23 2011,14:08)There is only ONE SAVIOUR – YHVH GOD.JAThank you for verifying the truth that Jesus is YHVH.The scriptures emphatically claim it was by Jesus own life and blood that saved us for himself and that there is only “One Savior”.while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of “our great God and Savior”, J…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,20:12)Quote (Lightenup @ June 21 2011,21:26)Cuprinus, moreover, the father of him that was restored to life, took Simon with him to his house, and entertained him in a suitable manner, while he and all his household believed in Christ, that He is the Son of the living God.That sounds about right.  Ha Ha MikeTo the…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ June 23 2011,08:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2011,14:16)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 31 2011,02:10)Hebrews 12:2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.Another question,  If Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,21:34)God is the ultimate savior.t8 The scriptures do not claim as you say that the Father is the “ultimate” Savior so he gives us another “Savior”! But once again without the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit you have no Savior.Again, how many Saviors do you have?Jesus is the source of all things to the creation. You…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,20:41)Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,17:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,09:14)That is your strategy right there WJ. Accuse the other person of doing what you are doing.I have noticed that sometimes people's pet hate is the very thing they do but because they can't face up to it themselves, they decide to pin it on…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,19:23)Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,04:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,14:56)Here's another example of “Exception for Jesus” logic:Yes that exception rule is definitely bizarre.As soon as Jesus is mentioned all logic and teaching by pattern in scripture is thrown out the window.How true.  Here's one straight from…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,17:02)I stumped you once again, and then you decide to bring out the big guns. i.e., comments like “get your head out of the sand” with no rebuttal to go with it.t8Right!   You left out 99% of my post and then say I had no rebuttal?Here I will post my rebuttal so you can read it a again and then you my answer the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,17:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,02:41)t8 Stick your head in the sand if you like.That is your strategy right there WJ. Accuse the other person of doing what you are doing.I have noticed that sometimes people's pet hate is the very thing they do but because they can't face up to it themselves, they decide to…[Read more]

By the way t8, do you call Jesus your Mighty God?  WJ

Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,16:57)After that question, can you give me the exact verse where YHWH is the mighty God?For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, “The mighty God, (el gibbowr)” The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa…[Read more]