tQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2009,15:05)That verse clearly supports the “Trinitarian” view.Thank You!The scriptures do not present opposing views or contradictions.WJ

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2009,14:32)hi WJthose scriptures don't prove that the trinity is truthTThey sure do not add any support to your doctrine!WJ

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,14:41)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 23 2009,04:20)Hi CP,Welcome. Christ was in Paul and the other apostles so if you do not know them you do not know the Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ then you are none of his.So you are quoting Paul on the legitimacy of Paul??StuartstuActually Peter endorsed Paul!WJ

Quote (Ed Jude. 22 2009 @ 13:08)But those “titles” in Rev. 19:16, belong to Jesus' Father!Why did you leave this scripture out…?These shall make war with the Lamb, and “THE LAMB SHALL OVERCOME THEM: **FOR HE IS LORD OF LORDS, AND KING OF KINGS**”: and they that are with him called, and chosen, and faithful. Rev 17:14Are you blind or are you just…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 22 2009,13:29)Hi WJ, If you would offer it as a PROOF you will need a few concurring verses. Do you have any?Why, do you not believe the verse?Oh thats right you believe the scirptures are corrupt!Even if you didn't have Matt 28:19, although we do, do you believe in the Father?Do you believe in Jesus?Do you believe in the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2009,13:36)hi WJyou try to convict God to be Christ,and the son to be is father on one witness?????????????Just as I thought.No explanation but just denial of the text!!! WJ

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2009,13:20)hi alli don't think you know what you talking about ,it is so confusing a cat will be lost in this darkness,you mix God and Christ the man and Christ the resurrected into the position he was before,you WJ, you never answer the question why Jesus always said that is father was higher than him???you try to…[Read more]

Quote (CLIO-PATRA @ Dec. 22 2009,10:38)IT IS ABOUT TIME WE SHEEPLE OF THE STEEPLE WOKE UP TO THE WRITING ON THE WALL – THAT THE LEADER OF THE SHEEPLE OF THE STEEPLE IS NONE OTHER THEN THE SELF APPOINTED APOSTLE PAUL – WHO WAS/IS A LIAR, A COWARD, A BLASPHEMER, A TWISTER OF SCRIPTURE AND AN ANTI CHRIST WHO HAS INDEED DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD.…[Read more]

Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 22 2009,06:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 22 2009,17:36)Look again…You should read the scriptures for the Apostles message was about Jesus Christ!Jesus himself said…”Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and “they are they which “testify of me“, And “ye will not come to me“,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 22 2009,02:53)Quote No I am not ashamed that they are Trinitarian, but you should be ashamed for accusing them of bias and even infering that they corrupt the text for money.–wjIt has without question been done before.  Would you like me to find you a quote?When a trinitarian group who believe trinitarian things hire someone…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2009,02:57)Hi WJ.How about debating with evidence that the other possible translation is either wrong because of… or is possible.An admission that it is possible would go further to supporting your beliefs as it would show that you are non-biased and therefore open and teachable.So how about proof or an admission that it is…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 22 2009,02:37)Quote Didn't you just accuse the NET scholars of being Trinitarian –wjIs it a shameful thing to be a trinitarian, WJ?  I would think that even if they weren't, you wouldn't consider it a bad accusation.  By the way, they are.  And certainly the ones who translated Heb 1:8 is a trinitarian.  Ok, some proof.  “A…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 22 2009,02:30)Quote You have done nothing but made this whole argument a Trinitarian argument and yet infer that I am not honorable for going after your WT doctrines and dogmas of which the WT has brainwashed you with.But that is what it is.  I created this thread.  It is a thread about the trinity.  I have quoted many tr…[Read more]

DavidJust a few points on your erroneous post and then tomorrow I will get to the meat.Quote (david @ Dec. 22 2009,01:57)First, although you want this to be a “JW” argument, so you can just repeat the mantra: “It's wrong because JW's believe it,” and hope many will agree, which some will.  (But won't you feel bad about such unhonorable methods?) R…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 22 2009,01:57)In response to WJ's post.The NET Bible is a completely new TRINITARIAN translation of the Bible with 60,932 translators’ notes! It was completed by more than 25 TRINITARIAN scholars – experts in the original biblical languages – who worked directly from the best currently available Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 21 2009,21:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 20 2009,16:16)It’s amazing the arrogance by those that believe that somehow we will ever be equal to him, Jesus.That’s where it all started when satan said “Ye shall be gods”! Lies!WJHi WJ,Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and…[Read more]

Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 20 2009,21:14)christ preached the gospel, the kingdom of God. thinker, makes the messenger the message. the ones before, and after christ preached the same, the gospel the kingdom of God.Quote (princess of the king @ Dec. 20 2009,21:14)thinker, makes the messenger the message. Look again…You should read the…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ Dec. 21 2009,21:54)He is our God who humbled Himself and became man to take on the sin of the world! and returned to the glory He had before the world was. Son does not mean son like we have a son. He came in the flesh Himself. Look it up! Theres quite a few scriptures that literelly tell you He is our God. You cannot deny them.…[Read more]

Here is more information on this…“But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness'” The New World Translation.In this particularly interesting verse, God is addressing the Son. The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate w…[Read more]

Hi AllThe evidence leans toward the translation that most major translations read and not the NWTs rendering.“The NET Bible is a completely new translation of the Bible with 60,932 translators’ notes! It was completed by more than 25 scholars – experts in the original biblical languages – who worked directly from the best currently availab…[Read more]