Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:25)Hi, Does any bible translate MONOGENES, relating to Jesus, as ONLY? Why would you WJ and TT?Most translations render it “Only Begotten Son” of God.STRONG'S G3439 – MONOGENĒS 1) SINGLE OF ITS KIND, ONLYA) USED OF ONLY SONS OR DAUGHTERS (VIEWED IN RELATION TO THEIR PARENTS)B) USED OF CHRIST, DENOTES THE ONLY…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:29)Hi WJ, So now you adapt the greek to suit your ideas?Oh so now you do not care what the Greek Monogenes means!Look again…STRONG'S G3439 – MONOGENĒS 1) SINGLE OF ITS KIND, ONLYA) USED OF ONLY SONS OR DAUGHTERS (VIEWED IN RELATION TO THEIR PARENTS)B) USED OF CHRIST, DENOTES THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:26)Hi WJ, Monogenes, relating to Jesus, is not translated as ONLY. Why would you?Have it your way!He is the “ONLY” begotten Son!WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:24)Hi WJ, You should know and if you don't you should find out.Was Isaac the only son of Abraham?According to scriptures he was the Only Son (Monogenes) of the promise.WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:24)Hi WJ, You should know and if you don't you should find out.Was Isaac the only son of Abraham?NickOnly means Only! Unless words again do not have meaning with you guys!WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:20)Hi WJ, So do you exclude BEGOTTEN?Why is it used and not written as ONLY?Whats the difference?Only Son or Only Begotten Son?WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:17)Hi WJ, Jesus is the MONOGENES Son of God but Monogenes does not mean ONLY. Go back to the greek.STRONG'S G3439 – MONOGENĒS 1) SINGLE OF ITS KIND, ONLYA) USED OF ONLY SONS OR DAUGHTERS (VIEWED IN RELATION TO THEIR PARENTS)B) USED OF CHRIST, DENOTES THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:12)Hi WJ, ONLY BEGOTTEN is one greek word. You are the only person I know who thinks it means ONLY.Are you serious??Look again Nick!Strong's G3439 – monogenēs 1) single of its kind, onlya) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of…

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:12)Hi WJ, ONLY BEGOTTEN is one greek word. You are the only person I know who thinks it means ONLY.Are you serious??So now you are denying that Jesus is the Only (Monogenes) Son of God?WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,13:01)Hi WJ, Where is the verse that says JESUS IS THE ONLY SON OF GOD?There is noneWe too can become adopted sons and daughtersHe is not ashamed to call us his brothers.No man hath seen God at any time; “the only begotten Son, (Monogenes)” which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:18…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 15 2010,12:52)WJ………Then where it says (WE) are (NOW) SONS OF THE LIVING GOD, does that mean we are GOD'S too?. No saying you are a sonof GOD does (NOT) make you A GOD, No matter what the Jews though Jesus was saying , it is obivious he was not saying He was a GOD there are (MANY) sons of GOD, as scripture shows, if you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,12:52)Hi WJ, So you agree the Father is the God of the Jews and that Jesus was given by God functional equality with Him.How does this make God a trinity?Because to have “functional equality” with an infinite God, you would have to be infinite!WJ

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 15 2010,12:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2010,04:05)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 15 2010,11:36)Marty said:Quote Jews and Muslims certainly won't believe youTO  ALL:Marty expects us to care about what people who reject the Messiah think?thinkerJackThe thing is to me it shows that they expect people are going to be saved…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 15 2010,11:36)Marty said:Quote Jews and Muslims certainly won't believe youTO  ALL:Marty expects us to care about what people who reject the Messiah think?thinkerJackThe thing is to me it shows that they expect people are going to be saved by their own carnal understanding as if they have to understand everything about…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 15 2010,11:46)WJYou said that the Holy Spirit and the Father was present at the conception of Jesus.  You say it like it is another person, but if you read it right it is the Father's Spirit and yes the Holy Spirit is not Jesus Father.  But if He would be a person it would be the Father of Jesus.  You don't see that?   You…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2010,20:58)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 15 2010,10:43)Hi Ed:Maybe, this will help him understand:Quote at 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just , and…[Read more]

Quote (Newbie @ Jan. 15 2010,04:37)So it is actually the idea that Jesus Christ is NOT equal with the Father that came later.NewbieExcellent point and I agree with all that you have written!Thanks for your input here. We know that it takes the eyes of the Spirit to show who Jesus really is for no man can say Jesus is “The Lord” (YHWH) but by the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2010,18:11)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2010,10:04)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2010,17:30)Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any explanation here how the “HolySpirit” (as you say) cannot be Jesus' Father?Pray about it and and if you are sincere then maybe the Holy Spirit will give you understanding of the scriptures that…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2010,18:01)hi alltranslators are tools to translate words the fact that they translate the bible does not make them believers ,but there work is based on very good rules so that their work can be trusted,otherwise why should we use translators if we can not trust there work?So the fact that WJ,goes for is Doctorate…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2010,17:30)Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any explanation here how the “HolySpirit” (as you say) cannot be Jesus' Father?Pray about it and and if you are sincere then maybe the Holy Spirit will give you understanding of the scriptures that claim the Holy Spirit is “Another” Counselor.WJ