Quote (t8 @ May 26 2010,05:29)Some more trinities. And you thought there was only one.Enjoy.Peter, James, and John are a trinity because they are listed together in Luke 9:28.1 Timothy 5:21 says: “I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels.” So that is a subset of the Trinity (The Binity) plus the elect angles with…[Read more]

Hi AllYea and here is what GMs source also teaches…—————————————–Welcome! Got questions about Christianity? I understand. In fact, I'm an ex-Christian. I left Christianity when I began to seriously study the Torah and discovered that a belief in Jesus and the New Testament was inconsistent with what the Torah actually…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 25 2010,13:18)I think the JW's should take Mike out to the woodshed over his beliefs.JackHi JackNah, I think the JWs would be proud to have him in the Kingdom hall, after all his theology perfectly lines up with theirs. Actually it seems pretty obvious that at one time he was one of them. I am not sure why he left…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,17:12)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 26 2010,09:09)Will we ever be like that t8?Ah hah. Again WJ, you display your ignorance about nature and identity. Jesus and us are sons. But because of WHO Jesus is, he is greater in every way to us. After all he is the bridegroom and we are the bride. And that begs the question, does a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,17:10)In other words WJ, you are really trying to convince us that there is NOT one God the Father, and there is NOT one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. That is it in a nutshell isn't it.Yet Paul said for US, there is one God the Father and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ.You are preaching the opposite and trying to convince…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,16:55)Yes I understand what JA is saying now.You guys just ignore what you want to ignore and hone in on stuff where you think you have a defense.That is not the hallmarks of a truth seeker.LOL we bring up valid questions and points like you think you do and now it is time for the “ad-hominems”.Come on t8 don't give up on…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,16:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 26 2010,08:49)If we are going to be the same kind which is man created in the image of God, then that means that Jesus is merely a man!Jesus existed in the form of God, emptied himself and partook of flesh. He then returned to the glory that he had in the beginning. For us, we are born…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,16:49)Kurioshe to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lordthe possessor and disposer of a thingthe owner; one who has control of the person, the masterin the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperoris a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,16:43)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 26 2010,08:16)The problem is Jesus is not like every one else. He is in very nature God, we are not in very nature God.1 John 3:2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,16:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 26 2010,08:09)If Paul is implying that the “One God” is exclusive to the Father then he is also saying that the “One Lord” is exclusive to Jesus.Acts 2:36“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”God didn't make Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,16:12)Some thing to consider.Matthew 28:19 (English-NIV)Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,In the name of something refers to the authority of something. E.g If I say in the name of the Law, then I am invoking the authority of the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,16:07)Fair enough. But when valid points are made and then ontology becomes the last line of defense, then I immediately wonder why scripture is not good enough to stand on its own. It appears from scripture that we can partake in divine nature and it is not a stretch to believe that Jesus has divine nature, (he existed in…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,15:47)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 26 2010,07:39)Because everyone here including yourself believes he knows the truth.It is written that there is one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. You believe that there is one God the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.I at least believe what Paul wrote and he said for US there is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,15:43)Quote (JustAskin @ May 26 2010,07:22)WJ, what is Ontology – it too big a word for me this time of night in UK?It's a word that Trinitarians sometimes resort to when they can't argue their position from scripture. In this case, they can resort to references outside scripture to back up their position and it also makes…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 25 2010,15:29)Quote (JustAskin @ May 13 2010,01:43)Keith,Perhaps you are right.Tell you what, you stop posting inconsistent and erronous arguments and we will stop the 'ad hominems'.If you believe in the Trinity doctrine, then post with that as your base.If some question arises that successfully disputes your claim, then…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 25 2010,15:22)WJ, what is Ontology – it too big a word for me this time of night in UK?on·tol·o·gy (plural on·tol·o·gies) noun   Definition:  1. study of existence: the most general branch of metaphysics, concerned with the nature of being 2. theory of existence: a particular theory of being

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 25 2010,09:19)What we do know is that the Apostles obeyed the command by baptizing in Jesus name. Since Matt 28:18 is the qualifying verse it is of no surprise that Jesus is the name above all names is used. The name of Jesus with the unction of the Holy Spirit invokes the power of God to perform miracles, healings…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 25 2010,14:01)SF,Yeh Man, di I an I bredrin hail from di farda lan', yu no see it?Wha di man haffi sey bout da? A cool ting ar wha?Is a intanashinal farum wi a deal wid in ya.(Don't understand – try reading it with an accent!)JAI understand it clearly, it is like most of what you write here!   WJ

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ May 24 2010,20:27)Hi WJ,Jesus mentions three things in one sentence.  That hardly qualifies as speaking of a “trinity” in your sense of the word.Why do you insist on misrepresenting me? I have never claimed from the start that Matt 28:19 proves the Ecumenical Trinity. I have claimed that Jesus speaks of “a trinity” in…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2010,13:44)Hi ED, This is a bible study site. Discussion of the imagined trinity never had much of a future here.NHYet the Trinity discussion has been here since the forum started.WJ