Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,17:52)Hi KJ,Where did Jesus say that those who came after him would be more reliable than him? BD will agree but you surprise me.NHNo one is saying that the early Church Fathers were more reliable than Jesus.All we are saying is they are more reliable than you and the Arians!WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,14:20)Hi WJ, The Jesus we know never spoke of any trinity. Of whom do you speak?The theological mush tainted with rationalisations and justifications that you offer is bad food.NHYea I know. The Jesus you know never spoke Matt 28:19 like many other scriptures inspired by the Holy Spirit!The Jesus you know is not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2010,22:38)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,16:15)Yet we see men in the Bible dying for Jesus and SERVING him with absolute unreserved devotion.Jesus is given the highest possible honour and devotion even to the death, and if he is not God then Christianity is committing adultery for exalting him this way! As Paul…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,14:16)Hi KJ, Why do you offer the words of those who spoke after Jesus and his brothers? Are you following them?Because they were closer to Jesus and the Apostles and spoke their languages and understood the scriptures better than you do!WJ

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,13:18)Mikeboll said:Quote I don't ask anyone to interpret scripture the way Eusebius did.  But from his letter we can see that he took Col 1:15 to literally mean that Christ was the “firstborn of all creation”, not “preeminant over mankind” as Roo asserts.  Eusebius thought that Jesus was the “first-born of e…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2010,22:11)So WJ, Jack and Paul…you guys are mistaken.  There is for sure at least one “unambiguous” scripture that clearly states that Jesus had a beginning.MikeHow is it unambiguous if the cream of Hebrew and Greek scolarship denies that Jesus had a beginning?The NET Bible is a completely new translation of the…[Read more]

Quote (Arnold @ June 01 2010,20:12)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,16:53)Quote (Elizabeth @ April 30 2010,22:34)If I were you, Pastor I would reconsider my stand on the trinity and take heed….Irene Are you asking me not to believe Jesus own inspired words that Matthew recorded, i.e. Matthew 28:19?I would rather believe God than man.WJYou…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 30 2010,11:32)The Trinity doctrine 'now' does NOT state that the three are 'CoEqual Gods' but that they are 'CoExistent and CoEternal'This is untrue and I would like to see where the Creeds or any Trinitarian has said that they are “Co-equal Gods”.No one has changed anything. As far as your ad hominems, they also are untrue…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 01 2010,15:50)WJ,You ask:Quote The word “everything” means everything including time, space, matter and light, right?Direct your attention to Col 1 to help you understand what the everything is…everything IN heaven and ON earth…and we know from the context that the Father and the Son are already in existence and not…[Read more]

Quote (Arnold @ June 01 2010,15:05)W.J. and K!  What do you think in the beginning means?  To me it means that Jesus did have a beginning.Really? The Father was there with Jesus in the beginning! So does that mean the Father had a beginning?WJ

Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2010,11:55)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2010,02:37)Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2010,08:57)You have NO advantage, unless you present “Bible Truth”; your opinions DON'T MATTER!Ed1) Opinions do matter, because when you get right down to it is every ones opinion of what scriptures say including yours!2) So to present “Bible Truth”…[Read more]

Hi KathiQuote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,23:42)LUIt doesn't matter because verse 2 says the earth and the waters already existed before day one!Therefore the “nothing came into existence without him” John 1:3 includes the light of the first day! WJQuote (Lightenup @ June 01 2010,00:05)WJ,Quote NT:1096gi/nomai ginomai (ghin'-om-ahee); a…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2010,08:57)You have NO advantage, unless you present “Bible Truth”; your opinions DON'T MATTER!EdOpinions do matter, because when you get right down to it is every ones opinion of what scriptures say including yours!So to present “Bible Truth” in a wrong way or to misrepresent someones post is wrong isn't it?You are a little…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2010,23:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,23:09)Hi Kathi,That sounded so good….for a minute.  Then I remembered that God created light through Jesus, right?  Isn't light one of the “all things in existence”? Good night Kathi.  I will pray for understanding and for the right words and scriptures needed to share that un…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2010,16:11)Quote (t8 @ May 31 2010,13:05)Let me say that a first-born is literally a first-born and has certain privileges as a result.David was described as a “first born” (ps 89) and yet he was the literal last born of Jesse. There goes that theory….Hi AllThe view of some is that the word “Begotten” when applied to…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2010,00:14)Quote (t8 @ May 31 2010,13:07)Hey at least he changed his name from the thinker (which didn't suit) to something more accurate. After all, he does jump around quite a bit trying to dodge difficulties.I don't see it that way. Jack is an anomaly in this forum – he consistently and cogently answers questions. He…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,01:48)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 30 2010,05:49)This is only partly true. Because the Bible says we are not to even “serve them”, yet we see men in the Bible dying for Jesus and serving him with absolute unreserved devotion.Hi WJ,Don't you think it means to only worship and serve Jehovah AS GOD?  Do you think it…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,15:05)Hi WJ,That was the very last time I tackle one of you “million word marches”. When the posts are so long, to much gets overlooked.  I just can't do it anymore, sorry.You don't have to respond at all, but if you do, please pick one point.  I'm happy to discuss anything and everything with you, but not all at o…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 30 2010,15:35)Mikeboll said:Quote They also believe that the phrase “prototokos pasa ktisis” does not really mean “firstborn of every creature” even though the Greek words mean exactly that.  They argue that “firstborn” really means “preeminence” and “of every creature” really means “just mankind”, therefore when Paul…[Read more]

MikeI find it interesting that you would take the words of a coward like Eusibus over the 100s of credible Hebrew and Greek scholars. That’s easy. I have much to say here but just for short this one scripture blows any idea that Jesus had a beginning out the window.All things came into being through Him, and “apart from Him NOTHING came into b…[Read more]