Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2010,17:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,09:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:09)IS THAT PROOF THAT HE WASN'T?   NO.Mike we are talking about facts not unknowns or conjecture.FACT…no scritpure applies the word “Monogenes” to Jesus untill after he came in the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2010,17:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:20)True, but if you think he wasn't based ONLY on this evidence, it is equally conjecture on your part.That is not my contention.My contention is you have no scripture that proves he had a beginning before time.So far it is a fact that “monogenes” in referring to…[Read more]

MikeSo you think that if you just regurgitate the same thing that you are just going to move away from my point?Not so Mike. Either you concede that my first point is a valid point and not null and void or we will continue until it is.You insist on addressing things “one point at a time”.Your answer is not satisfactory.So I restate my…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,12:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2010,12:32)Hi Jack,I said:  Quote Why don't you stop avoiding the issue and just answer my DIRECT question DIRECTLY? You said:Quote First, because I am not in the habit of taking fragmented quotes and drawing conclusions. That's YOUR method Mike. I gave you a quote from Eusebius…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,09:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:09)IS THAT PROOF THAT HE WASN'T?   NO.Mike we are talking about facts not unknowns or conjecture.FACT…no scritpure applies the word “Monogenes” to Jesus untill after he came in the flesh.Conjecture…it could have been! He…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:20)True, but if you think he wasn't based ONLY on this evidence, it is equally conjecture on your part.That is not my contention.My contention is you have no scripture that proves he had a beginning before time.So far it is a fact that “monogenes” in referring to Jesus does not prove he had a beginning.You are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:09)But that's not good enough for you for some reason.Mike thats right because you can't disprove a fact with conjecture!WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:09)IS THAT PROOF THAT HE WASN'T?   NO.Mike we are talking about facts not unknowns or conjecture.FACT…no scritpure applies the word “Monogenes” to Jesus untill after he came in the flesh.Conjecture…it could have been! He still could have been the “Monogenes” Son of God before he came in the flesh. Just…[Read more]

I am beginning to wonder about anyone on this sight being objective as a referee in the debate.It seems that no one wants to do the right thing and show mike the truth about my point, maybe because of bias and to show face for mike, I don't know.WJs Contention is there is no scripture that proves Jesus had a beginning.Mikes contention is that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,16:35)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,08:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,05:56)Wrong, because it proves what I have said all along that you cannot say “Monogenes” is proof Jesus had a beginning.What part of this statement do you not understand Mike?You have already agreed the term “Monogenes” was…[Read more]

RMQuote (RokkaMan @ July 03 2010,14:13)Jesus Christ did not exist before his incarnation on earth.Quote (RokkaMan @ July 03 2010,14:13)Jesus Christ was and is The Word of God before incarnation.Please explain these two contradictory statements!WJ

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,05:56)Wrong, because it proves what I have said all along that you cannot say “Monogenes” is proof Jesus had a beginning.What part of this statement do you not understand Mike?You have already agreed the term “Monogenes” was not applied to Jesus before he came in the flesh. I said…Quote (WorshippingJesus @…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ July 03 2010,14:02)[The Word of God did not have a beginning.Jesus Christ did.but we know that, Jesus Christ is The Manifestation of The Word of God.No Jesus is the Word! John 1:1-3 – 1 John 1:1-3 – Rev 19:13WJ

Quote (RokkaMan @ July 03 2010,14:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,05:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,13:49)Mike:  Okay, true enough.  My point has been effectively nullified by you, WJ.  It is a non-point for it proves nothing for either side.Wrong, because it proves what I have said all along that you cannot say “Monogenes” is pr…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,13:49)Mike:  Okay, true enough.  My point has been effectively nullified by you, WJ.  It is a non-point for it proves nothing for either side.Wrong, because it proves what I have said all along that you cannot say “Monogenes” is proof Jesus had a beginning.Therefore it is conjecture on your part that “Monogenes” ap…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,10:59)Prove with ONLY that info that Jesus didn't have a beginning OR admit you can't and move on.That has never been my contention Mike. That is your contention.You are supposed to be addressing my points in this thread Mike, remember that is why you created it.So far you have failed to prove my point that you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,10:08)But whatever, let's give SF a try.  Maybe he didn't think he was in the role of “judge” before.  So, it's agreed…….Dennison's role will ONLY be to enforce us to answer questions DIRECTLY.  And ONLY if one of us appeals to him to do so – otherwise, he is to remain mute.  Fair enough?Fine! What does SF say…

Bump for MikeAddress my point that you lettered “a” so that we can move on.How is my point “null and void”?I said…Quote a.  Thank you. Then end of discussion right? Your confession here now means that anytime you say that the word Monogenes applies to Jesus before he came in the flesh is merely conjecture on you part.So how have you made my…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,22:56)Mike,your becoming a pain.You asked me to clarify. I did, I told you exaclty what i meant by what i stated. So what do you want from me mike,im not going to play circlesso do you agree with what i said or not?You wanted to go point by point, my final point will be to connect everything.Welcome to the…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 02 2010,20:42)If Jesus is in the water being baptised, and the Holy Spirit descends upon Him, and His Father commends Him from the clouds, then I see three.Unlike some who believe in the three, I do not believe they are coequal.  There is no Scripture to support that, but on the contrary Scripture does say that the Father does…[Read more]