Part 2 of point “a”Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2010,22:07)Do we need to talk more about this, or can I move on to your point B-2?MikeNo we cannot move on because you still refuse to deal with point “a” in an honest manner!You are skirting around the issue again.Here is a reminder of this discussion on point “a”….Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 07 2010,15:21)Quote And it is not in scripture that God had many begotten Sons, but some of them died leaving Jesus to be the ONLY begotten Son. ………………………………….Simply!No offence, but you should not be making points or jabs at either mike or myself unless we request a settling of a particular…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ July 07 2010,06:34)Quote (Lightenup @ July 07 2010,15:55)Mike and Rokka,I agree with you two and see no reason that God the Father couldn't have asexually reproduced His very own offspring from His womb, whatever that means to someone who is God.  Perfect begets perfect…the difference, one is very Father and one is very Son.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,23:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 07 2010,01:55)Sure if you believe the Father has a womb and that is what the prophetic psalm is saying.Hi WJ,You and Jack get so hung up on this stuff.  I know you have to believe that anything is possible for the Father, for your God #2 said so in scripture.  So you must s…[Read more]

Part one point “a” of the “new” debate! MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,20:50)Hi WJ,Your point A is as follows:Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2010 @ 10:39)Was the term “Monogenes” ever given to Jesus before his natural birth? Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010 @ 20:45)Not that scripture records. Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2010 @…[Read more]

Cowards!WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ July 06 2010,10:57)Hi Keith,I buried my dad just over a week ago so my holiday was the first without him…I am celebrating his freedom though.Regarding the verse “I have begotten thee from the womb before the morning,” there are many who place this begetting before the ages, even of the church fathers.Thanks for your input.Hi…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 06 2010,02:12)I think that places the begetting sometime before the naming of morning in Genesis 1:3, and before the sun existed which was day four of creation.Hi KathiSure if you believe the Father has a womb and that is what the prophetic psalm is saying.No other major translation that I know renders the verse “I have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,20:31)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,09:13)t8I request you delete this duplicat thread thread and bring this one over!BTW Mike “first born” is not “pasa ktisis” but “prōtotokos”.WJWhat is it with you, WJ?  This is the same post with the same point A.  Just answer the question.btw, don't you think I know w…[Read more]

t8I request you delete this duplicate thread thread and bring this one over!BTW Mike “first born” is not “pasa ktisis” but “prōtotokos”.WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,14:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,06:47)MikeBecause “time” has a beginning and has an end!Eternity doesn't.This is elementary stuff! WJAccording to who?mikeMikeTime  – Websters1 a : the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or condition exists or continues Eternity  – Websters1 :…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,15:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,07:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,14:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,06:41)You can't expect an opponent to answer all of your points and then just stick to one of theirs!Keith, I have asked 3 questions:Were the heavens and the earth also “before time”?This…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,15:24)I understand if you affirm your yes or no with your thoughts or scriptures, but if you start with the “you can't prove Jesus had a beginning” stuff when we have not yet got to that point (which, btw, I CAN prove), then I will ignore it until these 3 questions are resolved.MikeThe point is you cannot prove…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2010,15:52)This is a post from WJ to me in the prototokos thread.  I want to address ALL of his points one by one so we can get somewhere finally.  If I respond to all of his claims in one huge post, too much gets lost in the mix – and too many of my refutes get ignored in his following post to answer my post.  I ha…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,14:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,06:41)You can't expect an opponent to answer all of your points and then just stick to one of theirs!Keith, I have asked 3 questions:Were the heavens and the earth also “before time”?This is a yes or no.Does Genesis nullify your “beginning” theory as NOT proof that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,14:36)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 06 2010,06:19)IF God is eternal, automaticly you agree that God is above time, above space.And how do you KNOW (and I don't mean THINK YOU KNOW) that time itself isn't eternal?MikeBecause “time” has a beginning and has an end!Eternity doesn't.This is elementary stuff! WJ…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,13:52)Keith, we have dedicated pages and pages to this post and got nowhere.  Post however much info you want in response to my post.  All I ask is that you DIRECTLY answer only the bolded questions I have asked.I, in return, will answer ONLY your points and questions that are DIRECTLY related to my bolded q…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,13:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,04:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,12:31)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 05 2010,19:47)Is God eternal?Hi Dennison,Yes.  Moses says He (not they) is “from everlasting to everlasting”.  Jesus, on the other hand wasn't originally created eternal, for Paul says:“For we kno…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,12:31)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 05 2010,19:47)Is God eternal?Hi Dennison,Yes.  Moses says He (not they) is “from everlasting to everlasting”.  Jesus, on the other hand wasn't originally created eternal, for Paul says:“For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again…”This shows that Ch…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,20:31)Listen, Keith.  These are points that YOU made and my rebuttals of them.  Deal with ONLY these points and my rebuttals, please.  In other words, I shouldn't see anything about Ignatius in your next post.   I have bolded the questions that I specifically want answered.OK MikeSo if I deal with your points and…[Read more]