MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2010,01:52)Show me anything that was written in your original point A that I didn't address. a.  Thank you. Then end of discussion right? Your confession here now means that anytime you say that the word Monogenes applies to Jesus before he came in the flesh is merely conjecture on your part.Your confession here…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 19 2010,18:23)WJ,Your desperation is driving you wild.Jesus was sent to reveal the Father.Do you honestly believe that when Jesus read the Scriptures (the OT, of course), that he did not pronounce his Father's name. His Father's name where is whitewashed over with the word 'LORD' today?The Jews would not pronounce the name…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 14 2010,12:29)WJ,Was that revelation relevant?Was your post relevant?Thanks for the empathy by the way!WJ

MikeMy internet has been down which has put me way behind in my buisness, not to mention I have had diarrhea for 5 days and have been ill.I will get to you post ASAP.Keith

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,11:22)Hi WJ,You asked:Quote Does Jesus claim that he has all “Authority and Power”  mean he has less “Authority and Power” than the Father has?Yes.  And I think many scriptures clarify this.  But just the fact that Jesus is at the right hand of the One he calls “my God” makes it clear that God is the greater, Je…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 09 2010,12:51)Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus:Quote Wrong, because it proves what I have said all along that you cannot say “Monogenes” is proof Jesus had a beginning.Exactly! So why does Mike still argue that “monogenes” means that Christ had a beginning?          the RooJackI think Mike is quoting me!But he did say…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 09 2010,10:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 10 2010,01:31)Quote (barley @ July 04 2010,09:29)Because they had earlier manuscripts that did not contain those words.  I personally am comfortable with the idea that those words were added later by some “well intentioned, but erroneous and presumptous scribe”.This is…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 04 2010,09:29)Because they had earlier manuscripts that did not contain those words.  I personally am comfortable with the idea that those words were added later by some “well intentioned, but erroneous and presumptous scribe”.This is wrong!Every extant manuscript has the “tripartite phrase” including the “Didache” which is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2010,00:22)Why are you like this?  If you want that question answered so badly right now, then just agree to a question by question debate and let's get down to it, man.Why Mike, so you can tell me the same thing on another point that I have made and you will not admit you are wrong, but then you will give me the same…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2010,00:26)WJ, did YOU forget THIS part?While gennao means “to be born” along with some other things, yalad does not have in it's definition these three:b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someonec) of God making Christ his sond) of God making men his sons through faith in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2010,18:40)Really?  I didn't read it as saying “I HAD a beginning”.And I didn’t read Rev 3:14 as Jesus saying he had a beginning, did you?Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2010,18:40)The Father IS the beginning.The Father is the beginning of what Mike? HMMM, could it be “the creation of God”? Oh, but wait, that is exactl…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2010,18:40)Why would the understanding and statement of a noted expert on the scriptures that you yourself touted as a prominent figure in the early church be considered ambiguous?  Because he disagrees with you? Mike, because we are dealing with scriptures and not merely the opinion of a third century figure.Did you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2010,18:59)Your point A has NOTHING at all to do with the meaning of monogenes.Really Mike?This is my point…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,05:56)Wrong, because it proves what I have said all along that you cannot say “Monogenes” is proof Jesus had a beginning.What part of this statement do you not understand…[Read more]

DennisonCan you please tell Mike that my point “a” is a valid point scripturally and conjecture does not invalidate that point.This debate will not go forward until Mike concedes.He keeps making post then when I respond to every point in his post as I did his last one then he bails and does not answer my points in my post but then again puts up a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2010,10:44)Part 2 of point “a”Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2010,22:07)Do we need to talk more about this, or can I move on to your point B-2?MikeNo we cannot move on because you still refuse to deal with point “a” in an honest manner!You are skirting around the issue again.Here is a reminder of this discussion on…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2010,18:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 09 2010,03:03)Exactly!Conjecture seems to be the way Mike likes to work, i.e. “There is no water in the glass”, mikes response, “but just because there is no water in the glass doesn't mean there wasn't any water in the glass”.  Duh, that is not the contention, the fact is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 07 2010,23:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 07 2010,14:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,23:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 07 2010,01:55)Sure if you believe the Father has a womb and that is what the prophetic psalm is saying.Hi WJ,You and Jack get so hung up on this stuff.  I know you have to believe that anything…[Read more]

Hi mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2010,22:58)Quote (JustAskin @ July 08 2010,11:41)EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO PROVE SCRIPTURES … is in Scriptures.Good JA,Then practice what you preach.  Scripture says Jesus is the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE.  That means before Satan.But you need unambiguous proof that is what the word “firstborn” in relation to Je…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2010,21:43)POINT BY POINT, WJ.  This is in your point F, and trust me, we'll get there.MikeBut you didn't address my post “point by point” which was an answer to your post “point by point”, did you? WJ

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 08 2010,10:45)Quote (JustAskin @ July 08 2010,11:40)S'truth,It is for good reason that the phrase “Too much learning has dulled the mind”Do you guys really need to go to such length to 'prove' from external sources – that COULD BE EQUALLY FLAWED what is a very basic and simple concept.Yes, Human Kind. Very simple – very…[Read more]