Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:17)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most learned theologian of his day” agrees with “my…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most learned theologian of his day” agrees with “my…[Read more]

Hi AllMikes own words seem to change as he goes along.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,22:22)I CANNOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING JESUS WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD PRIOR TO HIS COMING IN FLESH WITH ONLY THE FACT THAT HE WASN'T CALLED THAT UNTIL HE CAME IN THE FLESH.  AND I WILLINGLY ADMIT THAT.  THAT IS WHY I WON'T USE THIS INFO AS MY F…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most learned theologian of his day” agrees with “my theory”.How does your understanding fit in with Eusebius' and Ignatius'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most learned theologian of his day” agrees with “my theory”.How does your understanding fit in with Eusebius' and Ignatius'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:02)[No matter how you define it, it always comes up the same:  The Son is ALWAYS BEGOTTEN BY THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IS “UNBEGOTTEN”, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOWHERE IN THE PICTURE.  If that doesn't spell out a difference between the two entities of Jesus and God, I don't know what to tell you.Fallacious, f…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:32)What did Ignatius mean when he said the Father was the only “UNBEGOTTEN” and the “BEGETTER OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON”?The same thing the Father meant when Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father and the Father declared the decree……He said to me: ‘You are my son! This very day I have become y…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,10:14)It is similar with gennao.  It CAN mean a literal begetting, but doesn't necessarily HAVE to.  So which one did Paul mean in Hebrews 1?  Well, he tells us he was quoting Psalm 2.  What is the word in Psalm 2?  YALAD.  What does the Hebrew “yalad” mean?  A LITERAL begetting.Really? Then King David heard YHWH s…[Read more]

Hi AllI always love it when an “Arian” uses the words of a Trinitarian (who refutes Arianism) to support their Arianistic beliefs. Let’s look at Calvin’s quote…“The first-born of every creature. The reason of this appellation is immediately added…”First of all we see that Calvin calls “The first-born” (prōtotokos) an appellation which is mer…[Read more]

MikeI am done with you here. If you are to proud to admit that my point concerning “Monogenes” is valid based on the scriptures, then I will not proceed past this point for it will be useless to discuss other points with you.So if you will not concede the point then I say this thread is open to discussion by any one who wants to comment.WJ

Mike, is it true that…Your confession here now means that ANYTIME YOU SAY THAT THE WORD MONOGENES APPLIES TO JESUS BEFORE HE CAME IN THE FLESH IS MERELY CONJECTURE ON YOUR PART.Focus Mike! It's the term “monogenes”!WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2010,23:38)Hi WJ,Do you not even understand what I wrote?  I KNOW gennao can mean those 3 things ALONG WITH a literal “begetting”.  But yalad DOES NOT EVER MEAN ANY OF THOSE THREE ALTERNATE DEFINITIONS THAT GENNAO CAN MEAN.AND YALAD IS THE WORD FROM PSALM 2 THAT PAUL QUOTES ABOUT THE BEGETTING OF JESUS.  GET IT?  So the…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2010,19:27)You already said Jesus doesn't have MORE power than the Father, so show how you know he has the EXACT SAME AMOUNT AS THE FATHER.And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, “ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. Matt 28:18Now prove scripturally that Jesus means less authority than the F…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 16 2010,13:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 16 2010,19:09)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 16 2010,04:56)Popularity Error:Is when a poster believes that just because a source or a idea is popular, makes it true and use it as evidence to refute a cliam or other warrents.for example:  Why doesnt other new translations…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2010,19:16)2.  yalad DOES NOT EVER mean any of these alternate definitons of the Greek equivalent “gennao”:a.  in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someone  b.  of God making Christ his son  c.  of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's workMikeWrong again. Paul…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2010,19:27)I don't know why I even bother with you anymore. The feelings are mutual. I answered your every point and now you once again start over and come back with an evasive post!Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2010,19:27)You're not after truth.  You believe you have it and are willing to do anything – including…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 16 2010,00:09)No more games Keith.  Your point A does NOT prove Jesus HAD a beginning, nor does it prove he DID NOT have a beginning.  That's all there is.  Let's move on to you other points which I'm sure DO prove Jesus didn't have a beginning, right?I've already posted my reponse to your point B.mikeMikeSo you won't an…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 16 2010,04:56)Popularity Error:Is when a poster believes that just because a source or a idea is popular, makes it true and use it as evidence to refute a cliam or other warrents.for example:  Why doesnt other new translations agree with you? why doesnt all these scholars agree with you?So in other words “out of the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 10 2010,08:33)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 10 2010,13:15)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 10 2010,04:23)WJ said to KJ:Quote But he still thinks that if there is no water in the glass then that does not prove there is no water in the glass because there could be water in the glass!      WJ      JackThats called a “pont…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2010,00:10)On second thought, I don't want to start playing your same games on this debate thread as I have been in the other, so I'll spell it out.My games? It is you that makes claims without backing it with scriptures. I asked you to prove your assertion that “All authority and Power” does not mean “All” using s…[Read more]