Quote (JustAskin @ July 18 2010,04:10)To all,Is there more than one meaning of 'Firstborn'?Is there, 'Firstborn' meaning, literally, the first by birth who is then, by Jewish tradition, the major inheritor of the Father's property.And is there 'Firstborn' meaning 'to become the one who is the inheritor, to become first in rank among a group of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2010,12:52)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 19 2010,04:19)The New testament is unmistakeably clear that Jesus was “begotten,” that is, He assumed His OFFICE as King-Son AT HIS RESURRECTION.KJ,Do you ever just sit back away from yourself and listen to the crap you spew?  Do you ever even consider how much you must butcher…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 18 2010,03:26)Kathi cited Calvin who said:Quote This expression, to be begotten, does not therefore imply that he then began to be the Son of God, but that his being so was then made manifest to the world.Kathi,Note that Calvin said that the expression “to be begotten DOES NOT THEREFORE IMPLY that He began to be the Son…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2010,11:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,13:43)But I will accept his explanation.Thanks, and sorry again.I was thinking maybe you have your preferrences set to notify you when I respond and to include the post itself?Because I deleted that sucker fast.  Anyway, it won't happen again.mikeNo MikeIt was just a…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2010,11:39)Let it go.  You “won” your point A.  The judge has ruled that while it “doesn't PROVE anything”, it is a “valid” point.What it does prove is you can't use the word “Monogenes” to prove that Jesus had a beginning!That simple. But it has taken you 20 pages to admit that!I won't play this game forever M…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2010,12:42)No, I am asserting that the “all” doesn't mean absolute or the Father would have no power at all.  You agree that that is NOT the case.No that is merely conjecture again.You cannot refute the facts of Matt 28:19 with your conjecture that “all” doesn't mean absolute because you say absolute means the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,19:33)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 18 2010,05:13)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:16)Hi AllMikes own words seem to change as he goes along.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,22:22)I CANNOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING JESUS WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD PRIOR TO HIS COMING IN FLESH WITH ONLY THE FACT THAT HE…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,19:30)This Psalm is not about King David at all, but Jesus.  It sure is speaking of David as well as Jesus.Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,19:30)And you keep capitalizing the “THE KING SAYS”, but the NET translation says about those words, The words “the king says” are supplied in the translation for clar…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 17 2010,18:24)Nobody posted after you, or replied to the post, so I don't have a problem with it.In the end, it is better to get Mike's honest opinion than a statement of convenience. Remember the truth or lie is on trial, not people.t8Yes but it is the people that tells the truth or a lie and can be purposely misleading or…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,18:59)Quote (t8 @ July 18 2010,10:24)Nobody posted after you, or replied to the post, so I don't have a problem with it.In the end, it is better to get Mike's honest opinion than a statement of convenience. Remember the truth or lie is on trial, not people.Hi t8,thanks for undestanding it wasn't intended to be…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,19:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 17 2010,15:54)MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2010,19:27)You already said Jesus doesn't have MORE power than the Father, so show how you know he has the EXACT SAME AMOUNT AS THE FATHER.And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, “ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN E…[Read more]

MikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ July 17 2010,00:11)MikeI am done with you here. If you are to proud to admit that my point concerning “Monogenes” is valid based on the scriptures, then I will not proceed past this point for it will be useless to discuss other points with you.So if you will not concede the point then I say this thread is open to…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 17 2010,12:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:22)Well your friends here disagree with you. That is why they are silent! No, I just don't call Kathi up to say, “Let's go double team WJ!   Maybe if we both yell nonsense at him…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:50)We'll let Dennison decide.Dennison, is WJ's point A a valid point in determining whether Jesus had a beginning or not.  And if so, how does it prove Jesus either HAD a beginning or DIDN'T HAVE a beginning?mikeMikeEven here you are being dishnest.The point is……that ANYTIME YOU SAY THAT THE WORD MONOGENES…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:50)We'll let Dennison decide.Dennison, is WJ's point A a valid point in determining whether Jesus had a beginning or not.  And if so, how does it prove Jesus either HAD a beginning or DIDN'T HAVE a beginning?mikeMikeI saw your post that you posted before this admitting that my point was valid and to go to the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:22)Well your friends here disagree with you. That is why they are silent! No, I just don't call Kathi up to say, “Let's go double team WJ!   Maybe if we both yell nonsense at him at once, it'll make that nonsense seem more believable.”   KJ has been a joke since I j…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:22)Well your friends here disagree with you. That is why they are silent! No, I just don't call Kathi up to say, “Let's go double team WJ!   Maybe if we both yell nonsense at him at once, it'll make that nonsense seem more believable.”   KJ has been a joke since I j…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:20)But the truth is in the scritpures and their given context!Amen to that!And when you are done playing games, you are about to get an education about that in our debate.mikeWJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:10)And as far as “husband and wife”, one might ask the same question about you and WJ.  Do you guys call each other and agree on a time to visit HN?  Every time one of you posts, the other is right there with a backslap.  Have you worked it out to high five each other for every post in the effort that one ag…[Read more]