Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,18:16)Keith,You admit speculation on your part.  I asked God and came up with the understanding that the Son is a true Son begotten before the ages.  I can not deny that.KathiI don't admit speculation on my part. I believe Jesus existed before time which means eternity for he was there with the Father as God in t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,17:55)I believe all that but I also believe that scriptures support the Son being the firstborn over all creation and that firstborn created all things in heaven and on earth.KathiAmbiguous, for the term “firstborn” in relation to Jesus simply means he has the preeminence and is the Son of the Promise like Isaac.He…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,17:38)Well,I see it where He was begotten as the Son of God before the ages, begotten as the Son of God as a man in Mary, begotten from the dead at the resurrection.KathiYet we know he existed when he was begotten as the Son of God from Mary, we also know he existed when he was begotten at the resurrection and we…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,17:12)Keith,You do know that you and roo differ on when this begotten takes place don't you?KathiActually no.Because there is more than one word for “begotten” and is applied to Jesus natural birth and his resurrection.Matt 1:16 and Heb 1:5 are the same word (gennaō) which is also found in Acts 1:33 and Heb 5:5 in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 26 2010,16:50)Roo,I never said that the Father begets the way a human father begets.  The womb that I suggest could be the bosom of God, I don't know, it is not like a flesh womb.  God is not flesh and doesn't bring forth offspring like flesh.  That doesn't mean that He can't bring forth offspring in His own way.  I'm tal…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 26 2010,12:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2010,03:51)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 26 2010,10:40)WorshippingJesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Do you see the highlighted parts Mike? This is proof that the word “Begotten, gennaō” does not always mean “to be born”!It’s the same word used for the “begetting” of the saints wh…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 26 2010,10:40)WorshippingJesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Do you see the highlighted parts Mike? This is proof that the word “Begotten, gennaō” does not always mean “to be born”!It’s the same word used for the “begetting” of the saints which already exist…For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 23 2010,20:02)Jesus is both 'Son of God' and 'Son of Man'Exactly, Son of God and Son of Man.Son of man = manSon of God = GodJesus is both God and man for he is the Word that was with God and was God who took on the likeness of sinfull flesh and became the “Monogenes” (only of its Kind) Son of God.Sorry JA, there is only…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 23 2010,20:02)Jesus is both 'Son of God' and 'Son of Man'Exactly, Son of God and Son of Man.Son of man = manSon of God = GodJesus is both God and man for he is the Word that was with God and was God who took on the likeness of sinfull flesh and became the “Monogenes” (only of its Kind) Son of God.Sorry JA, there is only…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2010,09:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 24 2010,02:30)Its a strawmans argument since the word “Theos” (God) does not classify identity, but a being that is in a metaphysical class of its own.Yes WJ,A class that Paul included Satan and others in.mikeReally?Was satan or any other false “theos” a “Monogenes” (only of its…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2010,09:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 24 2010,02:30)Its a strawmans argument since the word “Theos” (God) does not classify identity, but a being that is in a metaphysical class of its own.Yes WJ,A class that Paul included Satan and others in.mikeReally?Was satan or any other false “theos” a “Monogenes” (only of its…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2010,09:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 24 2010,02:30)Its a strawmans argument since the word “Theos” (God) does not classify identity, but a being that is in a metaphysical class of its own.Yes WJ,A class that Paul included Satan and others in.mikeYou mean that Jesus was in a “false god” class?WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 24 2010,09:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 24 2010,02:30)Its a strawmans argument since the word “Theos” (God) does not classify identity, but a being that is in a metaphysical class of its own.Yes WJ,A class that Paul included Satan and others in.mikeYou mean that Jesus was in a “false god” class?WJ

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 20 2010,19:29)Hi WJ,First, like Dennison said, your point A is a refutation, not an assertion.  The thing is, I never said anything for you to refute about monogenes.   Mike do you have a lapse of memory? Is your age getting to you?This is how this debate began…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2010,00:12)“I cha…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2010,20:16)Quote (davidbfun @ July 21 2010,00:47)Son of God comes FROM God and is God-natured.God, the Son is GOD! (Breaking the 1st Commandment)Thus, Jesus' claim to being the son of God denies him being God and destroys the Trinity.DavidPS IF the Trinity Doctrine is false THEN the teachings built on this foundation…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2010,20:16)Quote (davidbfun @ July 21 2010,00:47)Son of God comes FROM God and is God-natured.God, the Son is GOD! (Breaking the 1st Commandment)Thus, Jesus' claim to being the son of God denies him being God and destroys the Trinity.DavidPS IF the Trinity Doctrine is false THEN the teachings built on this foundation…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 22 2010,01:22)YHVH in His physical form is limited to the space He occupies whereas the Holy Spirit is omnipresent. So, by placing an infinite being (HS) within a finite being (YHVH)and then say that the infinite being no longer exists outside the body is the same as putting the holy Spirit in YHVH and eliminating her…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 20 2010,19:07)WJ and KJ,You ignore the claim that angels, spirit creatures, can created human bodies and enter their spirit into them.Do you do this purposely?Please!Where is there a scripture that says Angels can “create” human bodies and indwell them?WJ

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 20 2010,16:41)If she cannot prove her views scripturally she should either concede she is wrong or not post.Well you know that most here are convinced of their views and so they will continue to post.WJ

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 20 2010,18:28)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2010,10:20)Hi KJ, You seem to be an expert on angel anatomy. Do give us your sources.Nick,I asked you. Do angels have penises? Yes or no? How do angels marry women? Genesis says that the sons of God took the daughters of men (Cain) as wives.Why did God destroy all mankind for…[Read more]