Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,12:10)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,01:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2010,00:16)Gene,If you read the word 'God' here and think 'unbegotten God' it makes perfect sense.Isa 43:10….> Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant, whim I have chosen: that you may know and Believe me, and understand the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,11:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,01:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2010,23:24)So, I say the only begotten Son of God was begotten before the ages and the Son of Man was born in the world, during the ages.KathiLOL, you agree with one point of the creed and pull it out of context to support your belief.I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2010,22:02)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,09:32)Mike,It's not that I am against the early church fathers. It's that you want to hide behind them when you are losing an argument scripturally.I have said many times here and everyone knows where I stand. I don't give a hoot about anything but “What saith the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,23:25)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,07:29)God said that there was no god formed before or AFTER Him (Is. 43:10).Isaiah 43:10 NET You are my witnesses,” says the Lord, “my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may consider and believe in me, and understand that I am he. No god was formed before me, and none w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 15 2010,00:16)Gene,If you read the word 'God' here and think 'unbegotten God' it makes perfect sense.Isa 43:10….> Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant, whim I have chosen: that you may know and Believe me, and understand the (I) am he: before me there was (NO)unbegotten GOD formed< Neither shall the Be…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2010,23:24)So, I say the only begotten Son of God was begotten before the ages and the Son of Man was born in the world, during the ages.KathiLOL, you agree with one point of the creed and pull it out of context to support your belief.I have already explained what “begotten before the ages means”.The Trintarians believed…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2010,23:41)Hi David,How about this question…what is the light that He had begotten in Gen 1:3.  Have you heard the expression, “Light of Light' before?  The Father is the Light and the Son is the Light OF Light as in Light FROM Light.  One was first (the Father) and then beget the other (the Son).You asked “When wi…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,22:39)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,10:39)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 13 2010,23:22)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,01:43)t8Nice try but the Bible doesn't say we have recieved more than “One Spirit” does it?And as far as us being “One in Spirit” is not the same as being “One Spirit” is it?WJ, yes it was a nice…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,22:41)But if you are speaking from (YOURSELF) those word and You ARE the same thing.Gene Are there anywords that you did not recieve from someone else? Are there any words that “originated” by you?WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2010,18:36)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,14:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:39)Oh yeah, and don't forget that Satan is one of the everything that came into existence through God's only begotten Son.  How does that fact fit into your theory?And so was days, so how does that fit into your…[Read more]

t8Thanks! I think that you will find more involved in the polls and I also think it will give those who do not participate in discussion a chance to be involved with their opinions by voting anonomously. Yet discusions can still be held in the poles thread.Everyone has “religious biases” and opinions and as far as I know everyone here is also out…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 14 2010,17:22)There are those that base doctrine on English translations as if these translations were inspired themselves. John 1 is a good example and it's mistranslation one reason why their doctrines are flawed.What do you know about translating martian? Do you have any credentials in translating Biblical Hebrew and Greek…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 14 2010,16:28)Quote (martian @ Aug. 09 2010,09:36)The Trinity doctrine states the Son is coeternal with the Father. Others believe the Son was the first being Yahweh created. Either view believes the “Son” pre-existed prior to his earthly birth. If that is true, how are we to understand the following words Yahweh…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 13 2010,17:03)The problem here is that a poll can be created from any forum as part of core functionality. But I do have the ability to move polls as I do posts. So they could be created where ever, and I move them to their own forum.What do others think. Are polls better off in their own forum, or in the forum that they are…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:34)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,07:20)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40)You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.Why did…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:34)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,07:20)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40)You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.Why did…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40)You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.God was never without his…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:52)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,14:40)You ask, “””Was God ever without his Word?”””If you mean his son by, WORD, yes; you can read about his, the son's/word, beginning in Prov. 8:22-30.Why did John refer to Jesus as the word? Here is the reason.God was never without his…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:39)Oh yeah, and don't forget that Satan is one of the everything that came into existence through God's only begotten Son.  How does that fact fit into your theory?And so was days, so how does that fit into your theology?WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,14:43)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:24)Do you think that they can prove scripturally that there was a day before the beginning?NO.  Can you prove there wasn't?  So there ya go.My point is that some of these guys, especially Eusebius were the most learned theologians of their day……don't you think t…[Read more]