Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,01:22)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,01:10)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,00:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,19:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,17:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,16:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,15:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,11:40)Quote (Lightenup…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,01:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,01:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,00:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,16:24)KathiIsn't that what you are doing, is supporting something that is not in scripture?WJSorry to butt in again, but what Kathi and I have done is show you the scripture, show you the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,01:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,01:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,00:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,00:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,23:46)Interesting quote from Ignatius, the disciple of John who wrote the phrase “only begotten Son:'Quote For the Son of God, who was begotten before…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,23:18)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:47)Hi Mike:What Greek manuscripts have “only begotten god” at John 1:18?  The Greek intelinear that I have looked has the Greek “huios”, and YLT has it Son also.  This would also be consistent with the rest of the scriptures such as John 3:16, & Matthew 16 for example.There is n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,22:10)Hi Marty,I don't even know all the different Greek mss, but here's some info and the newer translations that include the word “god”.  Something about the older ones have “god”, but somewhere along the line, some scribes might have changed it to “son”.Almost all of the newer translations, while fitting in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,17:14)And the Net also says…Heb “and after me, there will not be”; NASB “there will be none after Me.”WJI'm sorry WJ,Which one of those translations say “no god will come into being after me”?mikeWhat is the language not clear to you Mike?Heb “and after me, there wil…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,01:17)Here's a part of what Eusebius wrote to the members of his Diocese after the Nicene Council.  After making it abundantly clear that the “one in essence” and the anathema was force fed down their throats by the Emperor, he seems to be explaining away the anathema that he was forced to sign off on,Do you have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,00:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,16:24)KathiIsn't that what you are doing, is supporting something that is not in scripture?WJSorry to butt in again, but what Kathi and I have done is show you the scripture, show you the definitons of the words, show you how they were used elsewhere in scripture, and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,00:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,00:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,23:46)Interesting quote from Ignatius, the disciple of John who wrote the phrase “only begotten Son:'Quote For the Son of God, who was begotten before time began, and established all things according to the will of the Father, He was…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,00:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,19:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,17:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,16:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,15:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,11:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2010,18:49)Keith,In another thread, you said that you totally agree with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,23:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,08:30)And you don’t have an ulterior motive?   You are so desperate you have to explain away a simple text stating he was begotten on a certain day.I don't put so much weight on the “today” – that could just as easliy (LIKE I SHOWED YOU) mean “at this time” or “during th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,23:46)Interesting quote from Ignatius, the disciple of John who wrote the phrase “only begotten Son:'Quote For the Son of God, who was begotten before time began, and established all things according to the will of the Father, He was conceived in the womb of Mary, according to the appointment of God, of the seed of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,19:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,17:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,16:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,15:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,11:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2010,18:49)Keith,In another thread, you said that you totally agree with the Athanasian Creed that states this:Quote Fu…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,16:52)Mikeboll said to WJ:Quote Do you see that last word WJ?  SON!  How does a son normally come to be?Jesus came to be God's son in the same way as His father david which was by appointment.Quote 20 I have found David my servant;       with my sacred oil I have anointed him. 21 My hand will sustain him;    …[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,18:09)Could you please provide one verse where JESUS and no one else states that he is God?Does it matter if the Father and the Apostles call him God?Are you saying Jesus own words would be greater than the Fathers?WJ

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,18:03)In the case of “Jesus” calling himself God, I haven't seen one verse, yet.How about the Prophet Isaiah (Isa 9:6) and the Apostle John (John 1:1) and the Angel (Matt 1:23) and Thomas (John 20:28) and the Father (Heb 1:8) all calling him God, is that enough?WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,16:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,15:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,11:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2010,18:49)Keith,In another thread, you said that you totally agree with the Athanasian Creed that states this:Quote Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe…[Read more]

MikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:58)And so was days, so how does that fit into your theology?WJQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,21:53)Hi WJ,Can YOU tell me which “this day” it was?   Like maybe the actual date?  Of course not.So could it just be a matter of God wording it in a way we would understand without getting all metaphysical a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,11:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2010,18:49)Keith,In another thread, you said that you totally agree with the Athanasian Creed that states this:Quote Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,10:35)TO ALL:Mike and Kathi have been shoving the church fathers down our throats a lot lately. I am convinced that they do this because they lack solid scriptural support for their beliefs. So they must show that they have company in their beliefs. But Mike and Kathi often give fragmented quotes from the…[Read more]