Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,19:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,16:55)BTW, it doesn't negate the word Begotten, but only in your mind. The Apostles by revelation of the Spirit knew it spoke of Jesus after the resurrection when he sat down in his throne. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5You keep saying only the three Js, but last I…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 18 2010,08:41)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2010,20:10)To all,It is irrelevant if Martin knows Greek.  The question is if William Tyndale knew Greek when he chose the translation he did.  Martin gave his reasons for preferring Tyndale's translation over John Wycliffe's in this matter.   In conclusion if you prefer Wycliffe's th…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,08:34)WJ………..So you fill free to just change the words written in John 1:1 from the Word “WORD” to Jesus right even though the Apostle John Wrote “WORD” There. But you claim to not have changed the “WORDS” to fit your Trinitarian and Preexistence views, isn't that somewhat of a Joke? GeneJohn tells us who…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 17 2010,17:59)Curious isn’t it that the Catholics thought Tyndale a heretic. The same Catholics that insisted all translation be made from the Latin Vulgate whose translation says “him” instead of “it”. MartianWhat is curious is that after 450 years plus there is not an accepted translation since then that reads John 1:1…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,17:13)Anyway, the conclusion I can draw from your post is that you do not understand or accept the usage of definite articles in Greek.t8You can trust his views if you like, but I don't. Of course I have bias because I know in whom I have believed. Would you say you do not have bias, if so that would not be a true…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,17:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,09:11)Why are you making this argument Mike?You do not believe Jesus is God at all. For you have said he is not your God and you have never explained who he is “a god” too.If he is “a god” to anybody then that would mean he is their God.Is he your “Begotten God”?WJI've…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,17:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,08:57)But only 2 says “Begotten God”, the NASB and the NWT, no surprise there…Not really.  The actual Greek words means “only begotten god”.  Strong even says that's the definition.  Why is it all these other trinity biased translations render it differently than wh…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,17:14)And the Net also says…Heb “and after me, there will not be”; NASB “there will be none after Me.”WJI'm sorry WJ,Which one of those translations say “no god will come into being after me”?mikeMikeWhat does “there will be none after me” mean?WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,17:13)I'm still waiting for the link to where Strong says “monogenes” means “one of a kind”.1) single of its kind, onlya)used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of GodSourceSo where is the link to your source?WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,16:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,23:18)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:47)Hi Mike:What Greek manuscripts have “only begotten god” at John 1:18?  The Greek intelinear that I have looked has the Greek “huios”, and YLT has it Son also.  This would also be consistent w…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,17:00)94,You said it – nice and simple. And Right.Mike, WJ, Roo, (Only Askin ya'll)Define “GOD” – what is GOD?Your answer, if honest and Holy spirited, will resolve the issue.There are 2 kinds of Gods.The Only “One True God” and so-called gods or false gods. 1 Cor 8:4, 5 – Isa 43:10WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,16:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,23:18)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:47)Hi Mike:What Greek manuscripts have “only begotten god” at John 1:18?  The Greek intelinear that I have looked has the Greek “huios”, and YLT has it Son also.  This would also be consistent w…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,16:10)There was a man/alien called martian. He wrote this in the 2010s.He said that Jesus started his existence not in the form of God and emptying himself and coming in the form of man, but as a man who was created in the womb of Mary alone. He didn't think that the definite articles in Greek had any significance in John…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,16:00)Ignatius of Antioch (ca. 110 A.D)Ignatius, who is Theophorus, to the Church which has received grace through the greatness of the Father Most High. (Third Epistle).I have learned that certain of the ministers of Satan have wished to disturb you, some of them asserting that Jesus was born in appearance, was crucified…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,15:58)“That they may know You the only true God; “but that all beyond the autotheos (God) is made theos by participation in His divinity, and is not to be called simply “the” theos but rather theos.Yes  t8Origen was an “Arian” and considered a Heretic because of teachings like the following…After his return from Athens,…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 17 2010,14:02)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,05:46)I voted “disagree” because your answers do not allow for one to partially agree.WJHi WJ,Seems you agree with me with regard to the wording of the choices in these said Polls!God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEdNoone said that the polls would be…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 17 2010,15:17)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,05:43)Quote (martian @ Aug. 17 2010,12:05)I posted these same translations on another thread and got a searing remark that I do not know Greek …. blah Blah Blah ….. Any so called student of manuscripts and translations knows that you give much more credence to copies…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2010,00:40)However If i were to quote your words or someone else's words then I can Not lay claim to them.Gene Exactly, which means that the words you speak are not you.So tell us Gene what word or words that you have ever spoken belonged to you? What words originated with you?WJ

I voted “disagree” because your answers do not allow for one to partially agree.WJ

Quote (martian @ Aug. 17 2010,12:05)I posted these same translations on another thread and got a searing remark that I do not know Greek …. blah Blah Blah ….. Any so called student of manuscripts and translations knows that you give much more credence to copies closer to the original in time. Some of these translators use Erasmus' translations…[Read more]