Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 19 2010,23:28)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,23:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,15:10)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,23:04)Hi Lu:”Unbegotten God?  Where do you come up with this.  Certainly, there is nothing in the scriptures that indicates this.Love in Christ,MartyMarty,If God always existed then He was not begotten by a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 19 2010,23:20)Firstborn of all creation means that he was the “firsborn of God”  do you know anyone who was born of God prior to Jesus being born of God?KathiBut Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son” right, so there is no other of his kind, right?Firstborn here means “Preeminence”.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 19 2010,22:51)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,18:55)Hi Mike:If Jesus was begotten prior to his birth from the virgin Mary, please show me by the scriptures that it is so, and please tell me how he is begotten, from Himself or from whom?  How, Mike, how? I can't seem to get my mind to wrap around that at all.Love in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 18 2010,19:09)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,13:11)Mikeboll said:Quote Could it be that Jesus was caused to exist at the crack of that very first day that they then both createdThe Father himself said that Jesus laid the FOUNDATIONS of the earth with His own hands (Heb. 1:8-10). The foundations of the earh were created…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,21:46)Now, does 1-B-2-d apply to the begetting of Jesus?  NO.  You can't seriously use 1-B-2-c because it's not even a defintion, so what other choices are there Keith?  Remember, this is YOUR info on “gennao”.And you can’t seriously believe there was a period of time before time can you? What other choice do y…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,21:46)So this 1 John verse is most likely definition 1-B-2-d, right?  So it doesn't mean a literal begetting, right?Thanks Mike, this is what we have been trying to tell you all along. Now can you show us a scripture that says Jesus was begotten (“gennaō”) before the ages or time? Pss 2:7 doesn’t cut it for it…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,21:46)Does scripture ever allude to the fact that the begetting of Jesus was anything other than the begetting of anyone else……in other words, “caused to exist by his Father”?  Is there any reason given that the words “yalad” and “gennao” should be taken metaphorically in reference to Jesus?Yes there is…[Read more]

MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,21:46)Just as another example of these “trinitarian” lexicons, look up the word Jesus.  One of the definitions will be “the second person in the Trinity Godhead”.  Look up “holy spirit” and it will say “the third person in the Trinity Godhead”.  Should thinking people really take these bogus definitions se…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,21:46)[What does 1-B-2-c really mean anyway?  What way is it actually saying that Jesus became God's Son?  It's rather vague, don't you think?  It gives no clue whatsoever as to the way Christ became begotten by God. So you deny that Jesus who already existed was begotten (“gennaō”) at his natural birth.And the an…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,21:46)So when you see certain definitions like 1-B-2-c above, you must take them with a grain of salt.Oh I see, that is kind of like you accepting certain scriptures with a grain of salt? So this is what it comes down to for you Mike, that you want us to take “Strongs” and the Lexicons with a grain of salt? How…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,21:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,02:54)MikeJA was hoping that he didn't have to do your homework for you. So I thought I would give him a hand.ASVWhosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is “begotten (gennaō)” of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1…[Read more]

Hi all In regards to my post above it seems that the quote that Jack said Mike had made is not far off from the truth. This is a quote of Mikes in another thread…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2010,18:50)I personally believe the scriptures speak of three begettings of Jesus.  One before time as we know it, one as a human, and one as a…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,10:11)Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus:Quote The Apostles by revelation of the Spirit knew it spoke of Jesus after the resurrection when he sat down in his throne. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5YET ANOTHER CONCESSION FROM MIKE! the RooTo AllThe above quote was my quote and when I read that post I didn't even…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,11:09)WorshippingJesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Where is a scripture that says “God” precreated Jesus other than Jesus at his birth through the incarnation?Keith,Mike has already answered you. He said, “Not that scripture records.” This means that he spends a lot of his time arguing what HE KNOWS is just…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,08:46)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 18 2010,22:29)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,22:16)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,21:37)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,07:40)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,07:34)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,07:20)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,15:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,20:29)I think Jack and Keith have led people to think “procreate” means to have intercourse with someone of the other sex.  It actually just means:Procreate–verb (used with object) 1. to beget or generate (offspring). 2. to produce; bring into being.Mike When it comes to humanity, what does the above mean? It me…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,21:01)Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,12:13)What is (are) the difference(s) between God and Jesus – and as Jesus becomes Begotten of God as Mankind that overcomes will also be begotten of God – will mankind then become as God as Jesus is as God?I'm still waiting for the scripture you think says men will be begotten…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,19:32)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:42)But those who say: 'THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HE WAS NOT;' and 'HE WAS NOT BEFORE HE WAS MADE;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'—they are condemned by the h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,19:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,17:25)Keith,Just maybe those verses are ambiguious to you and not to us and the early church fathers.  That seems obvious.  Many see what you cannot, in other words.He sees it “loud and clear” Kathi.  But to admit it would be to say Jesus had a beginning, like scriptures ac…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,19:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:16)Yes MikeWe know that you are reverting to the ambiguous language of the Fathers who did not all agree BTW, to support your ambiguous claims and theorys.We have shown you scriptures to support our claims.WJI don't remember you ever showing a scripture that explained…[Read more]