Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2010,20:40)In fact Shimmer,This is exactly what the Greek from the LXX says:emprosyen……………………….before mou…………………………………me ouk………………………………….never egeneto……………………………begotten allov…………………………………another…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,18:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,18:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,17:19)Polytheism would be those without the true nature of God.KathiPolytheism is the belief in and worship of other gods.Worshipping two divine beings is Polytheism.WJKeith,What is it called when you worship the begotten God as if He…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,17:17)Keith,Most everything revealed about the Son was revealed after He came in the flesh.  That doesn't mean that He wasn't the only begotten Son wasn't the only begotten Son beforehand.  Most didn't realize that He was the Son of God till after He was raised from the dead but that doesn't mean that He wasn't t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,17:19)Polytheism would be those without the true nature of God.KathiPolytheism is the belief in and worship of other gods.Worshipping two divine beings is Polytheism.WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2010,18:51)Hi Keith,My you sure have a lot of time to post here…….yet you seem unable to find time to post in our “one point at at time” debate, where btw we are debating this same issue.MikeNo I really don't have a lot of time. Your post is totally off point and just full of ad hominems.The posts I made above were…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,15:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,11:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,11:05)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,10:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,09:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,00:27)Here is one…Hippolytus: Dogmatical and Historical…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,16:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,16:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,15:35)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,11:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,11:27)The unbegotten God is one unbegotten God, not two unbegotten Gods.  The early church fathers often use the word 'unbegotten' in reference to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,11:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,11:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,00:16)Keith,No one can be a firstborn and be the first of their kind.  A firstborn is not a first created.  A firstborn comes from another of his kind that existed before him.KathiThat is if you assume that “born” does not mean c…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,15:35)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,11:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,11:27)The unbegotten God is one unbegotten God, not two unbegotten Gods.  The early church fathers often use the word 'unbegotten' in reference to God.  The Son is begotten from the unbegotten God.KathiWhat is the difference? It is s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,11:27)The unbegotten God is one unbegotten God, not two unbegotten Gods.  The early church fathers often use the word 'unbegotten' in reference to God.  The Son is begotten from the unbegotten God.KathiWhat is the difference? It is still 2 Gods.Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,11:27)Also, many translations admit t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,11:16)Keith,you wrote:Quote Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. Pss 89:27This is spoken about David and accomplished because of Christ, as the Son of David.KathiBut the fact that Jesus is made the “firstborn” is proof that the term is not speaking of procreation.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,11:05)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,10:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,09:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,00:27)Here is one…Hippolytus: Dogmatical and Historical Fragmentshttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-05/anf05-18.htm#P3712_1172813These things then, brethren, are declared by the Scriptures. And…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,00:16)Keith,No one can be a firstborn and be the first of their kind.  A firstborn is not a first created.  A firstborn comes from another of his kind that existed before him.KathiThat is if you assume that “born” does not mean created.There are no examples in scriptures where anything born was not created.Jesus i…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,09:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,00:27)Here is one…Hippolytus: Dogmatical and Historical Fragmentshttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-05/anf05-18.htm#P3712_1172813These things then, brethren, are declared by the Scriptures. And the blessed John, in the testimony of his Gospel, gives us an account of this…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 20 2010,08:58)Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 20 2010,04:40)To all, “There is no one like Yahweh our God.” Exodus 8:10 “Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35 “Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39 “See now that I, I am He, And there is no god…[Read more]

Here is one…Hippolytus: Dogmatical and Historical Fragmentshttp://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-05/anf05-18.htm#P3712_1172813These things then, brethren, are declared by the Scriptures. And the blessed John, in the testimony of his Gospel, gives us an account of this economy (disposition) and acknowledges this Word as God, when he says, “In the…[Read more]

Here is one…Tertullian: Against Praxeashttp://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.v.ix.xii.html” because already there was attached to Him his Son, a second person, his own Word, and a third, the Spirit in the Word….one substance in three coherent persons. He was at once the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.”There is the “One being” and not the God…[Read more]

Here is one…Clement of Alexandria: Fragments Part 1http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iv.ix.html“There was; then, a Word importing an unbeginning eternity; as also the Word itself, that is, the Son of God, who being, by equality of substance, one with the Father, is eternal and uncreate.” No beginning found there.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 19 2010,23:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 19 2010,23:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 19 2010,22:51)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2010,18:55)Hi Mike:If Jesus was begotten prior to his birth from the virgin Mary, please show me by the scriptures that it is so, and please tell me how he is begotten, from Himself or from whom?  How,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2010,19:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 20 2010,02:52)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,10:11)Mikeboll said to WorshippingJesus:Quote The Apostles by revelation of the Spirit knew it spoke of Jesus after the resurrection when he sat down in his throne. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5YET ANOTHER CONCESSION FROM MIKE!…[Read more]