Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 18 2010,00:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 17 2010,16:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 16 2010,23:16)pssst…this is from Augustine.  He thinks the Father beget a Son equal to Himself and to think of the Son as lesser to the Father is a reproach to the Father.Quote 6. “Whoso honoreth not the Son, honoreth not the Father that se…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 17 2010,23:06)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 18 2010,07:39)But I think I will try your method of chopping up someones post by leaving points out and see if that saves time.Good Keith,Then maybe we can really debate at least one point down to the bitter end and get some closure on it instead of going thru the same motions…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 16 2010,23:16)pssst…this is from Augustine.  He thinks the Father beget a Son equal to Himself and to think of the Son as lesser to the Father is a reproach to the Father.Quote 6. “Whoso honoreth not the Son, honoreth not the Father that sent Him.” This is a truth, and is plain. Since, then, “all judgment hath He given…[Read more]

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2010,20:44)I had asked:Quote So is it your contention Keith, that the defintion “of God making Christ his Son” is a real defintion? Can you tell me what those words actually define?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 16 2010,14:02)Of course, what does the following scripture mean Mike?For unto which of the angels said…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 16 2010,14:02)This is so hypocritical and such a lame point. You use Strongs and lexicons all the time and now since it doesn't agree with you, you claim bias with Strongs and the Lexicons because they are Trinitarian. Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2010,20:08)This is what NETNotes says about the Holy Spirit:pneuma 1)…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 16 2010,14:02)Please Mike, don’t start accusing me and complaining about what I have or have not responded to! Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2010,19:59)Where did that come from?Hi MikeIt comes from statements like this…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2010,21:52)Yes I do. Why don't you start with answering my last post in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 16 2010,22:55)Only if God exalted it to be a requirement to get to Him through the second tree.  I hope we haven't started a new religion here disclaimer…Mike is making this stuff up, he took a break from the literal.  Consider this a commercial break   HiJesus is the life and the light of men. Jesus said if anyman eat hi…[Read more]

Hi allWell we have almost finished moving. It’s been a slow process because we have been trying to fix the house as we go. Anyway I have my internet back and it looks like I have some catching up to do.Please Mike, don’t start accusing me and complaining about what I have or have not responded to! I seek God before I respond and I respond to wha…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 10 2010,14:33)The Father cannot get greater than He already is.KathiThen the Father didn't and cannot reproduce himself!WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 10 2010,14:33)Keith,I do not believe the Son is inferior to the Father by nature.The Son in a sense does birth sons by the incorruptible seed which is 'the word of God' and that is a re-birth and one that will partake of a divine nature but a re-birth is different than an original birth.  Whether or not the Son can produce…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 10 2010,13:57)Keith,One thing at a time…You seem to think that 'firstborn of all creation' must mean that the Son is a part of creation and a created being if the term 'firstborn' is meant as if He was first in a sequence.  I disagree with that assumption.  It could mean that He was the first to be begotten of God to be t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 10 2010,12:27)Keith,You have been shown that the early church fathers have spoken of a begetting before the ages, even the creeds say that.  In Col 1 the Son is said to be the firstborn of all creation and from the dead so there can be two types of 'births' here, one from the Father before creation and one from…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 09 2010,17:17)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 10 2010,06:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,18:39)Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,21:45)Also, “Does God procreate” ? Well, scripture doesnt say, does it ?Hi Shimmer,Scripture says God begot a Son.  That is the same as saying God procreated a Son.mikeDoes beget always mean…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 10 2010,03:43)Acts 13:13…”God hath in full completed this to us their children, having raised up Jesus, as also in the second Psalm it hath been written, My Son thou art — I to-day have begotten thee”.As written in Psalms….I today have begotten thee, the day being as it say's, having raised up Jesus.Hi ShimmerExactly!…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2010,16:45)Hi Keith, I didn't hear you……Question:  Is that clear enough for you Keith?mikeMikeSee if you can hear this…”NO IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME, AND I WILL ANSWER WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT!!!WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2010,17:10)Hi Keith and All,Keith has decided not to answer my post.  The point was to address the “word games” that Keith likes to play.  It is nothing but a word game for Keith to say things like this:Quote for instance you are the son of a human but are you not also human? Mike Keith has never said he wasn't going t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,18:39)Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,21:45)Also, “Does God procreate” ? Well, scripture doesnt say, does it ?Hi Shimmer,Scripture says God begot a Son.  That is the same as saying God procreated a Son.mikeDoes beget always mean procreate?I didn't think so!WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 07 2010,20:46)Enjoy the wonderful job of moving Keith! We'll see you when you are back in cyberspaceThanks KathiI get the sarcasm. Moving is no fun.WJ

HI AllI am in the process of moving and am really busy. Also my internet has been turned off until we move. This is the reason I havn't been posting much lately but hope to be back soon after we get settled.Blessings Keith

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,09:31)Hi All.It is claimed by some that an infinite God can reproduce himself. In fact some claim that God reproduced “a God” that is co-equal to him except in age.Others claim that God reproduced out of his own body a creature that is not God, but something else, while claiming that this creature is Gods…[Read more]