Hi KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Oct. 03 2010,23:47)Keith,I can't believe that you keep writing the Greek word as if it can't be translated.Quote Jesus is the Only Monogenes Son.Are you still having problems with monogenes being 'only begotten?'No, I assumed you already knew what it meant, since the NET and the Majority of the translations do not render…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,23:46)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 04 2010,14:26)There is a difference in being “one by unity” and being “one in ontology”.Jesus is the Only Monogenes Son.Hi Keith,So your answer is, “If it says Jesus is 'one with God', it means he is the same being as God, but if it says 'we can be one with God', it only means…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,23:38)Keith:Quote You have made a very good point that is totally irrefutable,Thank you.  I believe I have done the same with Micah 5:4.  Will you discuss it, or just keep saying I'm a “rabbit hole” or whatever?Keith:Quote If you say the “likeness of a human being” is man, then why do you say the “form of God” is n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,20:43)So Keith, Micah 5:4?  Does it or does it not clearly distinguish this “future ruler” as someone other than and lessor to God Himself?MikeFirst of all it is a “loaded” question for it assumes that the word “God” is exclusive to the Father when we know that the followers of Jesus called him their God, the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,20:43)My point is that this question has been asked of Gene many times for about a month now.  And while he hasn't actually attempted to answer it, at least he hasn't hit me with accusations of “We already answered.  You just don't like the answer so you keep asking the same thing.”MikeThats because he actually d…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,20:43)I keep asking: If Jesus already WAS a human being while being in the “form of God”, then why does Paul say he emptied himself and WAS MADE INTO THE LIKENESS OF A HUMAN BEING?Mike You have made a very good point that is totally irrefutable, however on the other hand the message that Paul is making is Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,20:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 04 2010,05:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,12:46)You can't BE “THE GOD”, and at the same time be WITH “THE GOD” Keith.Why not? You can be with your wife and still be one flesh, right? They share the same Spirit and nature and they are “One God”.WJMy first thought was to ask…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 03 2010,15:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 03 2010,13:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,12:46)You can't BE “THE GOD”, and at the same time be WITH “THE GOD” Keith.Why not? You can be with your wife and still be one flesh, right? They share the same Spirit and nature and they are “One God”.WJKeith,This is a different…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,04:27)For example. Godcalls Himself “the Ancient of Days” Daniel 7:9,does this mean that God had Ancient Days? or did he just speak in the manner that man speak so that he can get his point across? Habakkuk 1:12 Isaiah 43:13,Hebrew 7: 12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,12:53)There are many lines of logical thinking about the “one flesh” thing Keith.  Would you like to delve into it or not?Mike I am not having any more “debates” with you. IMO you are not an honest man in debates.I may have some discussion with you as I am led but I will not chase your rabbit trails anymore or…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,12:46)You can't BE “THE GOD”, and at the same time be WITH “THE GOD” Keith.Why not? You can be with your wife and still be one flesh, right? They share the same Spirit and nature and they are “One God”.WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,12:46)Keith,Matt 28:19 doesn't come close to claiming a “trinity Godhead”.And John 1:1 says the Word was with THE God, and was god.Hi allThis is a corruption of the text and no major translation or credible scholar does violence to John 1:1 like the NWT.The NWT was translated by men with no credentials or…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,12:23)Jesus cannot possibly be a part OF “Elohim” if he is someone other than “Elohim”, right?MikeAre you part of your wife? The scriptures says you are “One flesh”. Paul says this is a mystery, but it is a fact and not a myth. Now tell us how it is not possible for Jesus to be One with his Father sharing the same…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 03 2010,12:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 03 2010,07:32)But a short answer is verse 4 does not prove that Jesus is not God.Hi Keith,But it says this shepherd will rule in the power and majesty of his “Elohim”.Jesus cannot possibly be a part OF “Elohim” if he is someone other than “Elohim”, right?And your…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 02 2010,23:29)Or perhaps you want to establish a quote that has someone teaching about the spirit wives of the Father.  You won't find it and neither will you Keith.KathiDid I say that? Read my post again, I said that you come short of that, but procreation is still the same thing. The Forefathers did not teach the…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 03 2010,04:56)Hi WJ. Thought you weren't going to say anymore on this thread, haha.Hi shimmerActually I never said I wouldn't post on this thread again. I started the thread. In regards to continuing to go over and over the same thing with Mike I said…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 27 2010,22:06) At this time I have said…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 02 2010,22:38)Irene, NO, I dont agree with it at all, I was showing that mormans believe similar to what some other posters are trying to say.ShimmerYes, the Mormons believe that God procreates by having literal offspring from himself.Many believe that Jesus is his “literal offspring”. If that is so why only “One Only…[Read more]

Mike You are something man. Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2010,10:08)For 9 months on HN, I've noticed that when someone has to face a very clear scripture that helps to shoot down their doctrine, they move from discussing the scriptures to throwing insults at the other.  Keith, check out some of Martian and Gene's responses to me in any of the…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 22 2010,17:48)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,02:19)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 14 2010,03:35)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,08:43)Hi all!It has been claimed by some that the majority on this forum believed that Jesus was begotten before the ages or time as the Only Begotten Son of God born from Gods own body through…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 30 2010,23:03)Keith:Quote No Mike, you are wanting to change the subject to verse 4, what happened to “one point at a time”? You are creating the diversion by making sarcastic remarks and ad hominems about my God wanting to direct the conversation to another passage and something off topic of this thread.Even now I reg…[Read more]