Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2010,15:28)In that wonderful Old Testament Christmas prophecy about His coming human birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), we are told that His “goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” His human body was, indeed, “brought forth” from “she which travaileth” (Micah 5:3). “BUT LONG BEFORE THAT, HE HAD BEEN…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2010,11:43)Quote (t8 @ Oct. 08 2010,12:53)Hi Mike.Keith cannot grasp the difference between identity and nature.If he understood that Eve was in nature adam, and she wasn't in identity Adam, then he wouldn't be fooled by the Trinity Doctrine. Until then, he will skirt around this issue as he has done for years.Maybe I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2010,20:49)Titus 2:13 NIV while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ,Titus 2:13 NWT13 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of Savior of us, Christ Jesus,But more importantly than your OPINION as to which one is a mo…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2010,20:49)When you see “monogenes theos” described as “God, the One and Only” in John 1:18, like it is in the NIV translation – how do you know it doesn't really mean “the only begotten god”?  I know the latter is what the Greek words say and mean because of researching sites like NETBible and Blue Letter Bible and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2010,20:49)It's called NETNotes JA.  It is the culmination of knowledge from many scholars who know more about the Hebrew and Greek language than either one of us do.  It is a very arrogant person indeed who claims to not need any outside help because he knows it all already.MikeThats funny since you reject the views o…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2010,11:31)Hi Keith,I said:Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 06 2010,20:38)This is made clear by the comment about Jesus considering equality with God.You quoted:Quote who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, NKJVWho did Jesus not consider it robbery to be equal with?  Was it the “being…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2010,12:46)Good post Kathi.Now we have someone with credentials confirming what you and I have been saying all along.  peace and love,mikeMikeYou should check the source before you jump on the bandwagon. The source does not agree with you guys and once again they are Trinitarian.The cream of Hebrew and Greek…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,11:43)I am not in agreement on the idea of an ongoing begotten process as some claim.  I believe that the action was done and completed as we see in Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”? And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,11:21)From the Institute for Creation Research, Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. had this to say about 'eternally begotten:'Quote Eternally BegottenHe is not just the only begotten Son of the Father, for He is also the eternally begotten Son of the Father. He is eternally “in His bosom,” yet always “going forth” to “declare”…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,22:12)WJyou did not read all my scriptures so that make you,a twister of truth ,because it is well explained ,but i  do believe Jesus was and is a god as per the class of moses at the burning bush.PierreWhat in my words are twisted? You said “God created a God”, right?If Jesus is “a God”, then is he your God? If…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,17:52)WJlast question yes, at one time or at one point The Word was not there before the point of the beginning.PierreBut none of the scriptures you quoted say Jesus was created or had a beginning. If he had a beginning then that would be the begining of all things wouldn't it?But John 1:1 tells us that the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 08 2010,19:15)I agree that you can argue the three are part of the unity of the spirit but so are those students of Christ that have been reborn in spirit as well as the angels.KerwinSo then we have “a Trinity” right? So you think the unity of the students of Christ (or students of God) is the same as the unity the Father, Son…[Read more]

JAWhy don't you find something else to do rather than hijack this thread by insults. You are a moderator remember?You are supposed to try and bring some order and direction in a thread by keeping people on topic.By the way, I am honored that you spent so much time writing a poem with my signature WJ in it. I must be having some effect. WJ

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:14)WJ, Jesus spoke things in private of the Father,Gossip is different.I pray and seek help with seeing things. When there is a problem.”The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.” 1 Corinthians 2:15ShimmerHow do you know what is discussed in private is gossip?WJ

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,10:13)Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:07)That last post was for you LUShimmer,Not everything is your business.You will ignore scripture.  A whisperer separates close friends.” Proverbs 16:28  For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling c…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,17:06)A whisperer separates close friends.” Proverbs 16:28    For I fear that perhaps when I come I may find you not as I wish, and that you may find me not as you wish—that perhaps there may be quarreling, jealousy, anger, hostility, slander, gossip, conceit, and disorder.” 2 Corinthians 12:20   For lack of wood…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,16:47)Keith, keith..what are you showing me – i can't see it…. You showing pure and utter ignorance I cannot see what your image is – you are wasting your time with that post…Also, you still not answering – please say why you not answering…Let me answer for you:”JA, I cannot answer your post because you ask me…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,16:47)WJin the words that you quote Origene does not preach or recognize the trinity ,what he say is what is written in scriptures,what i do not deny,So then you agree with his words…the Word Who was in the beginning with God and **was Himself God**, and that if we are to seek and find these things we must follow…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 08 2010,16:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2010,09:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,15:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 08 2010,15:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,14:00)Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,13:50)You won't answer questions that clearly refute your claims. Why is this? What do you fear from admitting a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 08 2010,16:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,15:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 08 2010,15:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 08 2010,14:00)Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,13:50)You won't answer questions that clearly refute your claims. Why is this? What do you fear from admitting a truth? Are you not to learn truth…do…[Read more]