Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2010,02:09)Quote Therefore the Jews sought “the more to kill him”, because he not only had broken the sabbath, “but said also that God was his Father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL TO GOD. John 5:18WJ, just as we can't really trust the Pharisees to do the right thing, nor can we trust what the Jews who wanted Jesus dead, to believe…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2010,02:05)Quote AND IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS HE SAYS “I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE”.If another person who knows better, misapplies this scripture again, my head is going to explode.DavidYou mean like the Jews who wanted to stone him for saying it?WJ

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2010,01:44)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 01 2010,20:11)So if Jesus said to the man that “no one” is good but one “GOD” and then says he was “Good” then that is proof that he is claiming equality with God once again. And what of others who are called “good”?  And what of the fact that Jehovah is “alone wise”?  Yet, others a…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2010,01:33)Quote In all the scriptures that speak of Jesus being worshipped (proskyneō) why didn’t Jesus once say do not worship me?To say that it is because Jesus wasn’t being worshipped but just being honored lacks evidence because there are no other NT examples of the word proskyneō being used toward any one with hon…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2010,23:05)Oh Keith is back, hi Keith!  I hope your direction is becoming clearer.Thanks KathiYes I have clearer direction! But still need prayer!WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:42)MikeDo you expect to get a different answer?Rev 3:9 – They were worshipping God before their feet.Acts 10:25 – Peter believed it was God worship that is why he corrected them.Did you miss this post…”MikeDid not Peter correct him for his “Worship”? Yep thats right…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:36)John didn't say that they were wrong did he?Yes.  And so did Jesus right when it happened.mikeWrong!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:48)HAHAHA!Mike knows more about what the Jews meant 2000 years ago than the Jews themselves including John and many of the early forefathers!We all know more than those particular Jews knew at the time, don't we Keith?  And what's one of the things we know?  That s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:39)And why did you stop the scripture at verse 33?  The rest of the passage contains Jesus' explanation to them about how he is NOT God:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set as…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:39)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:26)“I and my Father are one. “Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, “For a good work we stone thee not; but for…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:17)MikeRead it closely, it is Johns words that is commentating what Jesus meant!Therefore the Jews sought “the more to kill him”, because he not only had broken the sabbath, “but said also that God was his Father, “MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL TO GOD. John 5:18WJAnd if I knew…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:17)MikeRead it closely, it is Johns words that is commentating what Jesus meant!Therefore the Jews sought “the more to kill him”, because he not only had broken the sabbath, “but said also that God was his Father, “MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL TO GOD. John 5:18WJAnd if I knew…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:21)And the word most translations render as “equal” is “isos”.  This is how Strong defines it:2470. isos ee'-sos probably from 1492 (through the idea of seeming); similar (in amount and kind):–+ agree, as much, equal, like.John surely knew that Jesus was not “equal” to God, for John directly quotes Jesus many…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:14)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:09)MikeI never said the Pharisees were alright with it.I said they could not blame him for “their actions”.But they could blame him for claiming he was equal to GodDo you hear yourself Keith?You actually believe that Jesus saying he was God's Son was MORE offensive to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:12)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,14:09)But they could blame him for claiming he was equal to God by saying “God was his personal Father” and that he was “One with him”. So they went after his claims to equality with the Father. You should listen to Johns commentary Mike for he says…Therefore the Jews…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2010,22:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,20:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,21:40)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 02 2010,13:33)Hi all, I only have a moment spare but..When Jesus said “Why do you call me good ? There is none good but God” if you think spiritually instead of useing the words only, Jesus was humbling…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,22:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,13:51)Sorry Mike I just blew a big hole in one of your so-called air tight theories! Okay Mr “Airtight”.       Answer to the two scriptures for now.  I've got no time for this “the Pharisees were alright with Jesus being worshipped as God” stuff.  I'll research it.  May…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2010,21:48)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,20:38)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2010,21:35)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,19:53)Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 01 2010,20:45)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,19:11)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 01 2010,18:43)It is not for us to decide to worship Jesus or not but only…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,21:47)Hey Keith,How about when Cornelius bowed down to Peter?  Do you think Cornelius thought Peter was actually Jehovah God in the flesh?mikeMikeDid not Peter correct him for his “Worship”? Yep thats right Mike, Peter saw Cornelius act as one of “Worship” (proskyneō), didn't he?  But Peter took him up, saying, S…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2010,21:44)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,13:32)MikeAgain you create a fallacy and a strawman because why would the Pharisees stone someone for being worshipped.The sin would be against those that worshipped him, right?They didn't know how to react to this behavour by others, it is obvious, so instead they…[Read more]