wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Gene,I have been taking a closer look at all the times the bible says “spirit of.” While I dont agree that all instances are intellect, it is none the less an interesting study. In Isaiah the Spirit of the LORD seems to stand on equal ground with wisdom and others. I would have though the SOL the “higher” but Isaiah seems to show all seven…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Gene,what did you think of the example I gave? Is that what you are getting at? Do you see it differently? If so why and how? I am curious as to what you think.Jeff
wisslewj replied to the topic Is jesus yahweh? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
The HS doesnt fail anyone. But man has a will and when it overrides the gentle nudging of the spirit, we have problems.Since the men you are speaking of here is the pope and his cronies, I will be blunt. Their fruit doesnt look good to me, so I will not trust them.CA, I fear that you do not understand what it means to have God in you. It is a…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Gene,I think I finally understand what YOU mean by intellect. On one level I think I agree. Let me give a fuller view of what I see and I think we are closer in agreement then I originally thought.God, in eternity existed as FATHER. Nothing existed except him. Hence when He created he would have had to create within himself as there was no…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Gene,we are not going to get anywhere here unless we can get a biblical definition of “spirit.” I am not certain offhand how to define it. It is used in many ways. God is spirit. Man has a spirit/intellect, There is the HS, There are ministering Spirits and on and on. There is no way we can call all of these just intellect because they have…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic Is jesus yahweh? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
CA,notice the Spirit will lead us into all truth and teach us. that means that we may chose not to follow and the process isnt instant.Are you suggesting that I put my faith in a man? Despite the bible saying that the SPIRIT will be my teacher? I think not. Noone claims infallibility. Noone would have the audacity except maybe the pope. His…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic Is jesus yahweh? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
God has!! Praise him!! He has put his spirit in me that leads me into all truth!! Its a good thing too because if I had to listen to man tell me what to do who knows where we would end up. God has told me his spirit would teach me and his word says that no MAN will have to teach us because we will all be taught by God. jeff
wisslewj replied to the topic Signs in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Hey guys,I too am sad that we dont “DO” the actual stuff we are told to do today. We are told to cast out demons in multiple places, we are told to heal the sick (james says they WILL get better.), etc etc. But today we just relagate that to the wastebin and take on a form of godliness with no power because we simply dont believe what gods word…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Gene,–>I do agree that the Spirit of GOD does produce Sons of GOD. I have no problem with that, Agreed God, through the HS created a whole host of Angels which are called “sons of god.”–>Christ Jesus or the messiah did not exist at the time of the creation at all, only in the plan of GOD He existed I must disagree here. He didnt exist in flesh…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic Rapture in the forum Prophecy 15 years, 2 months ago
TheodoreJ,I lean to this as well. It says that the AC will seek to change dates and times etc. I believe the Catholic Church has done this. Our day of worshiphas changed, our declaration of jesus has changed, we worship 3 gods, pray to the dead (which is basically a form of necromancy) etc.The simple statement of faith which is that Jesus is…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic Is jesus yahweh? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
I mean the Hebrew, not greek….how does one “edit” a post?
wisslewj replied to the topic Is jesus yahweh? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Thinker,that passage has often had me wondering.Isaiah 44:6″Thus says the LORD(YHVH), the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD(YHVH) of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me. Almost ALL translations have that AND in there. The NIV doesnt. I havent yet lookd at the greek to see if it should be there. But…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic So you think paradise and hell the same? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 15 years, 2 months ago
That story is just a parable, not a true story. Its meant to teach a moral lesson. If you look above that scrip, jesus is talking to the pharisees. He said that he spoke to them in parables and that is what this is.The moral, among others, was that jesus was going to die and rise butthe pharisees would still not believe.jeff
wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Nick, the flesh son of god yes, but the spiritual son of god was the spirit according to those scriptures. (In fact there are many spiritual sons of god as te bible calls the angels that as well.)God is not the author of confusion which means his word should be logical and it is. If we cannot take the bible for what is plainly said then we might…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic Is jesus yahweh? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Acts 221 then whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be savedThe meaning of this word CAN mean YHVH according to strongs. Given that it is the exact quote from the OT and it never explicitly says it is jesus, it would be just as fair, if not probable, to say it means YHVH here as well. After all the original quote said YHVH.Given that YHVH…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic Is jesus yahweh? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
A few interesting passages are:Matthew 3:3For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said,” THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS,' MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD,MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT!'”Rom 10:13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” These are in the NT but they are OT quotes. The LORD in each is…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic Rapture in the forum Prophecy 15 years, 2 months ago
Nick,it sure seems that way by what is said. It says THEY referring to those that got beheaded. However I assume it matters on your eschatology. It is possible the “mark” is already here and we are not aware. Many believe it was nero and there is strong evidence to the possibility. If so, then the “beheaded” or those killed for christ could…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
To get back to my main question that hasnt been addressed yet….Gen 1 says that GOD and the SPIRIT OF GOD were present in the beginning.John 1 says that GOD and the WORD were present.1 John 1 says that the Father and the WORD OF LIFE were present.Proverbs 8 says that the LORD and WISDOM were there.These are all parallels accounts showing that GOD…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Gene,I am thinking that God is a spirit much the same way that God is God. Its as Nick put sit I think. Elohim is a brood titke that the angels etc share with God. So we have gods and the GOD. Spirit seems similar. God is spirit but so are angels. They cannot be equal to GOD.Now we COULD be talking about the Holy Spirit since if I prove…[Read more]
wisslewj replied to the topic The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force? in the forum Truth or Tradition 15 years, 2 months ago
Gene,how do you define spirits? Simply Intellects?The spirit of god hovered/moved over the waters. Intellect doesnt hover. And if you are calling Spirits intellects what did jesus cast out of people when they SPOKE to him? And what was going on with the war in heaven? Was someone just having a psychotic episode up in heaven? Those were…[Read more]
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