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    torcha replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 11 months ago

    BodSo what you are saying is that Adam and Eve were forgiven by God at that time for their sin? I am not sure where you find that. They were removed from the garden, eve’s increase in pain at child birth, Adam having to cultivate the land to produce “thistles”.I’m not sure how to respond to the tree of life, other then to say, the garden life wa…[Read more]

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    torcha replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 11 months ago

    BodI would like to disagree with you on your idea of faith. It is the belief in something with strenght of evidence and relative understanding that has not yet been seen or come to pass. Blind faith in just a “shot in the dark”. Not ment to be an insult.

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    torcha replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 11 months ago

    lightenupVery interesting concepts. Don't forget what Jesus says it means your eternal life understanding the father. There is no question the father can give as much power to Jesus as he wishes i.e. judgment the power to create. But it is GIVEN. I have allways been struck how God discribes himself in ISA 40 to about 46. Quite clear as to who he…[Read more]

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    torcha replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 11 months ago

    BodAdam and Eve WOULD have lived forever they were made by God, they were perfect! But they sined, on that day they left the path of perfection down the path that lead to their ultimate demise, and their children, us, have the same problem we eventually die. That is where Jesus comes in, the one sacrifice for all time. What Adam and Eve did was…[Read more]

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    torcha replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 11 months ago

    BodI don’t know if I understand your point exactly. As far as prophecy is concerned I believe it will be revealed in Gods proper time, as to understanding God and his relationship with us ,I would defer to Jesus.John 17: 1-31.Jesus spoke these words, lifted up his eyes to heaven and said “father the hour has come. Glorify your son, that your son…[Read more]

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    torcha replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years ago

    AS a final thought. Who would stand to gain the most over confusion of the true nature of God and his son, in the largest sense? I know this is a bit rhetorical.

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    torcha replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years ago

    FIRST OF ALL I am a bible reader, certainly not a bible scholar. IT IS IN THIS VAIN I would like to ask some questions, make some statements, So as to get some responses.I will number them to make it easier to respond.1. For approximately two thousand years the Jews were God’s chosen people. And he revealed himself to them through the p…[Read more]

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