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    Hi Nick,

    I think you are saying that about yourself.

    You are denying what is written in defence of your own speculation.

    John the Baptist clearly says that Jesus predates him. What do you say? You say, no, Jesus did not exist before John. So, it’s you who are defending your own speculation.

    I never say that Jesus is a man and is a prophet.…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,

    Scripture disagrees? No, its you who disagree.

    Where does the Scripture disagree? Don’t just say without evidence.

    John the Baptist said that “There is a man coming after me who is greater than I am

    And Jesus said about John the Baptist:

    Luke 7:26-27

    26 “But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I say to you, and more than a…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,

    Scripture disagrees? No, its you who disagree.

    Where does the Scripture disagree? Don’t just say without evidence.

    John the Baptist said that “There is a man coming after me who is greater than I am

    And Jesus said about John the Baptist:

    Luke 7:26-27

    26 “But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I say to you, and more than a…[Read more]

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    Hi Gene,

    Please read my reply to Nick above.

    John the Baptist acknowledged that Jesus was living long before he was born, which means that Jesus exists prior to His birth:

    John 1:30

    30 This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘There is a man coming after me who is greater than I am,because he was living long before I was b…[Read more]

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    Hi Gene,

    Please read my reply to Nick above.

    John the Baptist acknowledged that Jesus was living long before he was born, which means that Jesus exists prior to His birth:

    John 1:30

    30 This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘There is a man coming after me who is greater than I am,because he was living long before I was b…[Read more]

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    Hi Kerwin,

    I have heard of it, but never really studied it or have any access to it. Philo’s writings may be important, but for me, the Scripture is way more important, and it is also long enough already 🙂

    So, for now I focused on just reading the Bible and commentaries and also debating with Muslims to evangelize them, and improve my…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,

    It is as if you are saying that Jesus received the Holy Spirit only at his 30 years of age, and before that He is just like us, body, spirit, and soul.

    If that is your position, I am sorry, Sir, but I think you are wrong. You are ignoring the fact of Jesus’ miraculous birth.

    Jesus was conceived BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. So, Jesus already had…[Read more]

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    Nick, one more thing, if Jesus was just a man like us, body, soul, and spirit, and it was the Spirit (Holy Spirit of God) speaking through Jesus, and not Jesus Himself, how can Jesus claim that He will send the Holy Spirit after his ascension?

    John 15:26  “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth…[Read more]

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    Gene… so you clearly call the writer of Hebrew a false teacher. And so, I think by this, you are clearly not a Christian. So, if you are not a Christian, why should I continue this discussion?

    All right, maybe there can be some uses in the future of this discussion.

    Well, since in several places it was written in the Scripture that God created…[Read more]

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    All right, so Jesus the man was not yet conceived.

    However, Hebrew 1:8-11 clearly says that God the Father says that the Son created heavens and earth.

    So, who is this Son? I have no alternative but to believe that this is the Son of God, which is the clear intention of the Hebrew book. Therefore, because the Son of God created the heavens and…[Read more]

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    John 8:56-58

    56 “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
    57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
    58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

    Jesus exists before Abraham.

    John 17:5  “And now, O Father, glorify Me together…[Read more]

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    John 8:56-58

    John 8:

    56 “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
    57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
    58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

    Jesus exists before Abraham.

    John 17:5  “And now, O Father, glorify Me…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,

    Excuse me, but are you a Christian? Or a Moslem? Or Jehovah witness? Or?

    I believe you are completely ignoring Bible verses that say that Jesus exists BEFORE he was born.

    This could be because you are ignorant, since you are a Moslem, or simply because you are not aware of these verses, or you just choose to ignore them.

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    What about His spirit. You know, the Bible teaches that a man is triune, comprising body, soul, and spirit. So, before Jesus was born, how about His spirit and soul? Do you think He did not exist? Just like every other men, just like us?

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    Hi Nick,

    So, you think Jesus did not exist before He was born in Bethlehem?

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    Hi Nick,

    Yes, I think so.

    It is perhaps a tough thing to understand indeed.

    Christ taught that God is Spirit (John 4:24). So, logically, the body of Jesus is not God, because it is not spirit, but the Spirit inside of Jesus must be God. But then, is God not powerful enough to turn His human body into God? I had heard a term ‘hypostatic union’…[Read more]

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    Gene… I am sorry, but I think you are putting words into Jesus mouth (words). Jesus did not say “I am the first of those resurected from the dead” in this verse. Please do not add words that Jesus did not speak. He clearly identifies Himself as the First and the Last, and in other verses in this same book, this “the First and the Last” person…[Read more]

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    Revelation 1:17-18 NKJV:

    17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
    18 “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

    Re 2:8 ¶ “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna…[Read more]

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