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    T8,

    I also want you to reread these verses again from Revelation:

    Revelation 1: 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

    So, this the Alpha and the Omega speaking, who is also THE ALMIGHTY

    verse 11: saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and…[Read more]

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    T8,

    I also want you to reread these verses again from Revelation:

    Revelation 1: 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

    So, this the Alpha and the Omega speaking, who is also THE ALMIGHTY

    verse 11: saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and…[Read more]

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    T8,

    You said:

    Becomes: For THE TRINITY so loved the world that THE TRINITY gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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    I don’t find any problem with that. If God’s nature is Trinitarian, and He is called Trinity, then so be it.

    It is more unscriptural to change it to:

     

    For THE UNITY…[Read more]

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    T8,

    You said:

    Becomes: For THE TRINITY so loved the world that THE TRINITY gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    ====

    I don’t find any problem with that. If God’s nature is Trinitarian, and He is called Trinity, then so be it.

    It is more unscriptural to change it to:

     

    For THE UNITY…[Read more]

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    T8,

    You said:

    Becomes: For THE TRINITY so loved the world that THE TRINITY gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    ====

    I don’t find any problem with that. If God’s nature is Trinitarian, and He is called Trinity, then so be it.

    It is more unscriptural to change it to:

     

    For THE UNITY…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    Hmmm… is that all you can say? Where and how am I  corrupted?

    I am only showing you verses from the Scripture, and you say that I am so bias?

    I think it’s you who cannot accept the Scripture, and so it’s you who are biased towards a heretical teaching that is clearly not scriptural, and yet you accuse me of being so?

    Don’t you…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    Hmmm… is that all you can say? Where am I  corrupted.

    I am only showing you verses from the Scripture, and you say that I am so bias?

    I think it’s you who cannot accept the Scripture, and so it’s you who are biased towards a heretical teaching that is clearly not scriptural, and yet you accuse me of being so?

    Don’t you see above,…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    So, you are saying that the YHWH and Elohim of Israel who visited Abraham, and seen by Moses and Isaiah is just an “ambassador”?

    Read again:

    Exodus 24:10 and they saw the God of Israel. And there was under His feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and it was like the very heavens in its clarity.

    Isaiah 6:1 In the year…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    No, Paul did not say that Jesus/the Word was God’s first creation. You definitely misunderstood the verse. Let’s read it again carefully:

    Colossian 1:15-17

    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible,…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    No, Paul did not say that Jesus/the Word was the God’s first creation. You definitely misunderstood the verse. Let’s read it again carefully:

    Colossian 1:15-17

    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    Jesus Christ is man and God. When He was on earth, many people knew Him only as a man, the Appointed, the Christ. So, it is possible that that verse means that it is in this role that Christ submit Himself to God. So, technically it’s not entirely God submits to God. But even the verse says “the Son submits Himself to God”, not “God…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    Jesus Christ is man and God. When He was on earth, many people knew Him only as a man, the Appointed, the Christ. So, it is possible that that verse means that it is in this role that Christ submit Himself to God. So, technically it’s not entirely God submits to God. But even the verse says “the Son submits Himself to God”, not “God…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Togel

    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    Jesus Christ is man and God. When He was on earth, many people knew Him only as a man, the Appointed, the Christ. So, it is possible that that verse means that it is in this role that Christ submit Himself to God. So, technically it’s not entirely God submits to God.

    No, God spoke among the persons of God in the beginning. It was yo…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

     

    That verse does not prove that Jesus is not God.

    We know that when He became flesh, he became human, and when being so, He is lower than even angels. The Appointed or Christ is a man, and so it is only natural that He will submit Himself and the Kingdom to God, which include Himself before He became flesh, just as Paul himself w…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

     

    That verse does not prove that Jesus is not God.

    We know that when He became flesh, he became human, and when being so, He is lower than even angels. The Appointed or Christ is a man, and so it is only natural that He will submit Himself and the Kingdom to God, which include Himself before He became flesh, just as Paul himself w…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    I am not sure, but I guess in the name of the one that he represents.

    So, are you saying that Jesus is just an ambassador of God? That He is nobody but just an appointed ambassador? So… what’s the difference between Jesus and all the prophets before Him?

    So, what about Jesus word here:

    (NKJV) John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    I am not sure, but I guess in the name of the one that he represents.

    So, are you saying that Jesus is just an ambassador of God? That He is nobody but just an appointed ambassador?

    So, what about Jesus word here:

    (NKJV) John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    You are saying that I am very like Moslems? You must be kidding. Watch this video by David Wood. He is answering the same question that Moslems ask about Jesus’ divinity. Yes, his answers pretty much answer your question to.

    Don’t you see? answering Moslems is just the same as answering you. The answers addressed to Moslems apply to you as…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    You are saying that I am very like Moslems? You must be kidding. Watch this video by David Wood. He is answering the same question that Moslems ask about Jesus’ divinity. Yes, his answers pretty much answer your question to.

    Don’t you see? answering Moslems is just the same as answering you. The answers addressed to Moslems apply to you as…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    You asked: Is the God of the Bible, the/a Trinity?

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    I already answered! Yes, He is. God of the Bible has a triunitarian nature.

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