Dear all,I offer my opinion on the topic question after careful consideration:Paul says he knew such a man who was caught up to 'Paradise' (a Wonderful place) fourteen years ago but did not know if such a man was in the body or out the body.Now, look at the first verse: it says he was looking into 'Visions and Revelations'.He also says he cannot…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,Apostle Paul says that he 'Did not know'whether the man he knew was in a Body or out of the Body when he was caught up to Heaven.How is it then that you are saying that Paul 'Did know that it was in the body'?Please present your reasoning for this?Paul says he did not know whether in the body or out of the body!Kerwin says 'Yes, Paul…[Read more]

Mike,You said: Quote Exodus 2518 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ April 01 2012,14:28)Hi Mikeboll,You said: Quote Scripture says that water CAN be drank, and Toby says it can't – without one shred of scriptural proof.Mikeboll, I did not use the word 'Drank'. I said 'Drunk'!!It is just this kind of 'changing of words' that has got you where you are today (and you know where that is!!)Perhaps you are…[Read more]

Hi Terraricca,You said:  Quote would this answer be good enough to you ?Terraricca, I'm not sure of what you just said – I think it is best if you don't try to be part of this discussion as it appears you have no idea what you are talking about.By following another person who equally has no idea of what he is saying you have just created yet more…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You said:Quote These examples are more aligned with our disagreement, Toby.  You should really tell it like it is.  So to answer your question, “YES, the fact that scripture speaks of the spiritual bodies and tents of those in heaven, and describes those bodies many times, is not only 'all I have', but also all I need.”The rhetorical q…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said: Quote Scripture says that water CAN be drank, and Toby says it can't – without one shred of scriptural proof.Mikeboll, I did not use the word 'Drank'. I said 'Drunk'!!It is just this kind of 'changing of words' that has got you where you are today (and you know where that is!!)Perhaps you are not as 'Clever' as you think you…[Read more]

Hi Gene,You said:Quote Toby……….. Jesus went ot the GRAVE not to the FATHER at all His Spirit went back to who gave it When Jesus died He no longer existed as a LIVING SOUL of any kind He was dead as if he never ever existed and would still be that way Now or forever if GOD did not raise up HIS BODY and Add Spirit back into it.My…[Read more]

Mike, you ended your post with:Quote peace,mike Mikeboll, you need to demonstrate that 'peace' – not just say it like an after-thought! And make your 'peace' with God through Jesus in Private.

Hi Gene,You said:Quote Toby………> as we have said Spirits do not have Bodies over and over, and they are NOT BODIES of any kind either. IMO peace and love…………………………………………………..geneGene, thank you for your support as far as I said I agree with you.However, can you see that the argument is NOT: 'Are Spirits…[Read more]

Hi Terraricca,you said Quote we never have discuss the materials of the bodies of the Angels ,God ,Christ but only that they have a body or form that ALL,you and some others have gone in great length to deviate in another direction what was not our intended goal but yours and so try by all means to discredit our objective,so you lost .That is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2012,00:29)Toby,Either show a scripture that says spirit beings such as angels don't have bodies, or give it up.  Your smack talk only amuses you (and perhaps Gene and Shimmer).Even the source you yourself quoted yesterday agrees that the raised dead will dwell in heaven WITH BODIES, like the body Jesus now dwells in…[Read more]

Hi Mike.You said: Quote Toby,Your understanding is based upon the fact that we as humans don't know all things.I see you are relying on 'fallbacks' now but that will not work either because in this case we do know that the 'Spirit' is defined as 'Incorporeal, Bodiless, Not made of material matter, without Form or Shape, etc.' and this is the…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You said: Quote This does not mean that we will be only spirits—spirits do not have bodies………As for this part, we'd have to find out if they are considering “spirits” as spirit beings, such as angels; or if they are thinking more along the lines of “team spirit” and the like.No, they were not thinking that 'Spirit' means 'Team S…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2012,09:51)Quote (toby @ Mar. 29 2012,15:23)My case is proven by the definition that is given in every credible dictionary ever written.So because mere men who have never been to heaven, have never seen a spirit being, and who most likely have never been filled with Holy Spirit or given revelation by Jesus and God…[Read more]

Mike and all.A quote from 'gotQuestion.com' website regarding the Spiritual Body:“….In his first letter to the church in Corinth, Paul discusses the great differences between our earthly bodies and our resurrected bodies (see 1 Corinthians 15:35-54). Contrasting our earthly bodies with the splendor of our heavenly (resurrected) bodies, Paul…[Read more]

Kerwin,Sorry but, I have never read a more muddled presentation that what you just posted (Mar. 29 2012) – save for the compilation of Mikeboll's ideas which are so far beyond any kind of credible theory as to be not worth mentioning!How do you say that it is proof that their are material bodies in the Spirit realm from the point of Paul saying he…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said: Quote Yes Toby.  Let's start again.So you are admitting you have no where to go with your false belief.You claimed that Spirits have Bodies in Heaven and had Scriptures to prove it. So far everything you have presented as those proofs have been in vain and tainted by false presentations by means of redefinitions of commonly…[Read more]

Mikeboll, you said:Quote and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove.Umm… Is that what Scriptures says? And in any case what does it change? It still says 'Like a Dove'.Are you saying you believe that the Holy Spirit manifested the body of a Dove? (Ah, I see you are now a Pentecostal )

Ah Mikeboll,According to you, Spirits in heaven have 'Wings'.Does Jesus have 'Wings'?According to you, Spirits have Spiritual Body which means that Jesus had a Spiritual Body before he came as Man and as Man and when he was dead in the grave but he can't be dead because the Spiritual Body cannot die and as an raised body but he was already in a…[Read more]