Mikeboll, permit to respond to your baseless and inciteful accusations:By the way, there is nothing stopping you from not answering the posts if you cannot answer the questions nor accept the corrections to your false ideology – indeed you take pride in NOT ANSWERING what is asked of you as will be demonstrated below.And the other thing is that…[Read more]

Hi Mike,You said:Quote 1.  Phil 3:21 says Paul is anxious to have his lowly body transformed into a glorious body like Jesus has.Paul is indeed 'anxious' for the transformation. But to what body?What does Scriptures (not your wild imaginings) say is the Glorious Body?Is not the Glorious Body that same 'Heavenly Body'? Is not the same word…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll.You said:Quote Toby:Quote So you are saying that Jesus was raised up from the dead in a 'Spirit Body'?But Mikeboll, Jesus showed that 'Spirit Body' to his disciples and said 'Touch me (my 'Spirit Body' as you would say). See that I am not a Spirit (Being)'.Not at all.  It is clear from Luke 24 that Jesus was raised from the dead in a…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You said:Quote toby:Quote Hi Mikeboll,You said to Kerwin: Quote (mikeboll @ 64)God can change Jesus from a spirit being which can not die into a flesh being which can, but the body surrounding him is more precious than him, and therefore can't be allowed to die like the beloved Son that was in that body?This is hilarious.So Mikeboll, you…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said:Quote Toby:Quote So whereever it is written 'Inherit' we can change it to 'Enter' and where it says 'Kingdom of God' we can change it to say 'Heaven'?Interesting idea.That's not what I said at all, now is it Toby?So just what is it you said, Mikeboll. Perhaps if you try writing what you really mean then what people think you…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said: Quote Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 05 2012,11:21)See Ed?  This is why I usually walk away from you (like I do Toby).Rubber Ball!!It appears that you 'walk away' because you cannot answer or give a weak argument and until you can figure a way that feels like a response.Even when you asked me not to use your name in any post…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You said, Quote Quote Hi MB,You say”God can change Jesus from a spirit being which can not die into a flesh being which can, but the body surrounding him is more precious than him, and therefore can't be allowed to die like the beloved Son that was in that body”What is this stuff from?Not the bibleNick,First read the post to which I…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You said:Quote I usually quote the words as they are written:  “inherit the Kingdom of God”.  But I believe, as I think most sensible people do also, that the phrase Paul used refers to “entering heaven”, where one can inherit God's Kingdom.So whereever it is written 'Inherit' we can change it to 'Enter' and where it says 'Kingdom of G…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said:Quote As I've showed you many times, one of the definitions of “spiritual” is “belonging to a spirit”.Mikeboll, you know that the way you read it is nonsense. How can a Spirit have a body when it is defined as not having a body?What is the opposite of 'Spiritual'? Does Scripture not say 'Natural'?So, by your definition,…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said to Kerwin: Quote God can change Jesus from a spirit being which can not die into a flesh being which can, but the body surrounding him is more precious than him, and therefore can't be allowed to die like the beloved Son that was in that body?This is hilarious.So Mikeboll, you are saying the (non-existent) Spiritual Body of a…[Read more]

Hi All,Jammin said: Quote the thread can now be locked. it has been answered several times. Christ is not created. col 1.15 refers to supremacy of Christ . also, the rev 3.14Jammin is right that 'Christ' was not created. The word 'Christ' means 'he who saves' or 'Saviour' and is a TITLE.The topic question refers to 'Jesus'. The person of 'Jesus'…[Read more]

Hi All,Sorry I didn't respond earlier to the 'Good post, Toby' and ''Good point, Toby' before.- Thanks EdJ and Nick and Kerwin and all others.

Hi Mikeboll,You said:Quote Quote (toby @ April 02 2012,23:45)Yes, Jesus was Created.Thank you.  No further questions.You may just want people here to say 'yes and no' to you as you can then craft what designer ideology you like by this but this is not a courthouse that you should make a dismissive statement such as 'No further questions' – in…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,What has led you to this conclusion concerning Scriptures about Enoch being 'Not Found', and what Apostle Paul said.Apostle Paul said he did not know 'whether the man he boasts about Was in his Body or out of his Body when he was caught up to “PARADISE” (The third Heaven) and heard unspeakable things'You re-interpret 'Paradise' to say…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,You said: Quote One of the passages they use is the clause flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven.  The ignorant and corrupt interpret it to mean the material cannot enter heaven but you know better and yet you still hold to their flawed conclusions.   What passages from the Bible, do you still believe support the h…[Read more]

Whoa, Hold on Mikeboll64,You said:Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2012,12:06)Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2012,19:04)Where is your support for angels being non-material beings?How about the fact they are called “spirits” as opposed to “humans”?This means they are “spirit BEINGS”, just as we are “human BEINGS”.Please show one single Scripture verse that…[Read more]

Hi Mike,You said: Quote See?  I've already told you how to find other descriptions of angels in the Bible, yet you want ME to do your homework for you.  Forget it.No, Mikeboll. You said You had proof of the descriptions of the bodies of Spirits in Heaven. It is therefore for You to demonstrate that 'Proof'.Seeing that you have failed to do so – a…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll64,You said: Quote Quote (toby @ April 01 2012,19:34)Ok, can I emphasise that I did not write the word 'Drank'.I wrote 'Drunk' and 'Drunk' is what I meant – not 'Drank'.Well, since the English word “drunk” means “inebriated”, then no, water can't be “drunk”.  It can, however, be drank.Now see how easy it is when you correctly…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said: Quote Toby, I whole heartedly disagree with your post, and the idea that your “supporting scriptures” actually support your claim about Col 1:15.Thanks. I know I'm right when you say I'm wrong! (That's a little joke – it means 'You are entitled to your personal opinion')Quote Also, it is not Christ who becomes “all in all”,…[Read more]

To all.I'm not sure what else Jammin has been saying but I agree that the rendering of the verse:”Colossians 1:15 The One who is preeminent over all creation”is that Jesus is 'First over all that is created by God concerning that which has life which are: (plants, creeping things), Fish, Bird, Animals, Man and Angels'It certainly does not mean…[Read more]