I think they are for they are deceitful instruments that lead people ashtray of the real truth of God

this is why we have to test all those ideas and ways that people make up to see if they are of God or not

Edj

Mt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

so what as this to do with me being wrong in Col 1;15-21 ?

t8

I agree with you but you seem not to understand that it is because you have taken God truth as your center point and yes you right ,but anyone does not do that then their logic will not be in truth but in their own truth what really is no truth at all but to them it would be

Gene

you should read from the beginning and see and understand what really Paul want to get across here to his audience this is critical ,you will not get this understanding by just pick one sentence out of the development of his explanation ,

Gene

being emerged in Christ means to learn all about him and so follow his truth that he received from his father and ours and his God and our God ,

Mt 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to o…[Read more]

kw

no ,it is not hard to understand but hard to change it

hi Edj

The term used in Col 1:15: “the firstborn of every creature” is explained
in Col 1:18 as Jesus having “preeminence” – IT IS NOT A CREATION ORDER.
That is yet another JW doctrine that terraricca (Pierre) will not readily let go.

Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in…[Read more]

Kw

Yes,you did and worst you now go in disqualify  the scriptures so you can give your own version to it ,you do not have any light that’s for sure ,men,s view yes ,but that,s all you have

Kw

No that,s not it it is the way you respond  look at what the conversation  was and how you have short cut it ,

KW

you are deceitful at the least ;I also told you why ? but you chose not to see it ,and so try to find some thing wrong by cutting up my comments ,

honest people do not do that ,

Tony

All religion organization are false and are men made and so not of God

Gene

If you are going to talk about Paul,s letter to the Roman please read it from the beginning  so you can understand  where he is going with his argument  bracking up things from front ,middle and the back does not give you the right  picture

Kw

I am out you are to righteous in your  own eyes

Bye

Please  show me where in my words that I confess  anything ? You seem to see things that are not there at all

The only thing I want to point out here is that the word logic does not mean the truth and so we must be careful  how to use it

kw

Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise l…[Read more]

t8
yes in mathematics there are no opinion and the logic in math is the truth ,all others are only close tolerances; like when things seem to be that but in truth are not ,

one example is Paul full of faith and zeal but he at place his center point of his circle in the law and when Jesus faces him he change his center point to Jesus and his God…[Read more]

kw

first I don’t care about anyone /Jew/gentile or other what scriptures says is what goes ;

you don’t believe what is written and you don’t want to see where someone did not translate the scriptures to be true ,not you or me BUT THE SCRIPTURES THEMSELVES HAVE TO BE TRUE WITHIN THEMSELVES ,do you understand this ? if it is not so then you do not…[Read more]

kw

I did not say anything just show you scriptures that have something in common you are the one that came and call those scriptures opinion ,

and I have no doubts in the fact that you are not living in the truth for you cannot see truth when presented with it ,you keep changing scripture after scripture this is becoming your trademark

t8

to you me and others yes and our logic is based on this factor ;but the world does not believe in God /father and creator so their ;LOGIC; will differ from ours

were the axe of the circle is placed will decide what would be the biggest circle possible