Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 11 2010,03:55)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 10 2010,17:31)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 10 2010,13:59)Destroy means bring to ruin not to cease from existing.But as I said one is not better than the other, why do you feel being vanquished from existence is better than being punished in existence there are people everyday who suffer so…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2010,14:00)For through him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created through him, and for him: Let me rearrange the words to include only what we are discussing:All invisible…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2010,15:02)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 10 2010,08:55)Sorry JA and Mike, this was supposed to be a debate between you both, it was interesting, is why iv said so much.No need to apologize Shimmer.  You are actually answering and asking good questions.  That's how a debate is supposed to go.  And I've got to be honest with yo…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2010,14:06)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 10 2010,07:04)I agree Jesus was Gods 'only begotten son' born into the world through the Holy Spirit, without an earthly Father.Hi Shimmer,I'm confused.  You seem to be alternating between claiming that Jesus became God's only begotten Son when he was born as flesh and when he was…[Read more]

Yes, ok.

Really JA ? aha.. no, I havent heard it.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 10 2010,13:59)Destroy means bring to ruin not to cease from existing.But as I said one is not better than the other, why do you feel being vanquished from existence is better than being punished in existence there are people everyday who suffer so much but still prefer to live with suffering than to not live at allNo,…[Read more]

Adam, just keep your faith strong. Know the love you first had, return to that. Can you think what it was like at first for you ? How things can change. Effected by outside influences always. Life and stressful things happening can also take us away. Keep yourself clean from that, spend time praying and asking God, or just in silence with…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 10 2010,11:58)Jesus Christ took hell very serious. . . Jesus Christ says in Mark 9:43-47, 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better…[Read more]

Adam,Im so sorry if it may seem to you I have changed, in the way I speak, compared to the other times. I have feelings for people sometimes, and I pray for help…to help, and I felt that with you, and I still do. But there are different times for different things. Right now, you have questions, which I cant answer, so I guess I may seem…[Read more]

Thanks Gene.Sorry JA and Mike, this was supposed to be a debate between you both, it was interesting, is why iv said so much.There is ONLY one God, “Before me No God was formed nor will there be after ” said YHWH, in the Scriptures.Jesus said He (Jesus) is the beginning and the end. God has no beginning or end. Jesus must have been created by God.…[Read more]

Haha, ok Gene, I dont know, I just wrote it as i knew it, I have alot to learn. Im hoping to learn.

Quote whether you are tormented forever or completely anihilated neither is lovelyAm I hearing you right ? Do you actually think that MAYBE 'hell' is being completly anihalated ? Quote Islam The Islamic view of hellThe Islamic view of hell is things heard by Christianity and made to sound even worse. Hot fat, burnt alive, without dying etc. You…[Read more]

Kathi, as seekingtruth says, the word is Aion, which means for a time. I believe in punishment as well, just not eternal suffering, that is inhumane and God is love. And what the punishment is we dont know. I believe it is seperation form God…the Outer Darkness. All the talk of being burnt alive without dying is rubbish. I will find more to post…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2010,15:44)1. Shimmer, do you know of any early church fathers that think Jesus was begotten when he was raised?Mike forget Early Church Fathers. There is no proof that any of those writings werent changed or forged to fit in with the RCC's doctrines. Theyre as unreliable as Wikipedia. Trust scripture, because it has…[Read more]

No, seriously, its not funny Ed. Iv argued this on other forums and with bod, Kathi, I never knew you believed in eternal hell, but as you go to church I thought you may do.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2010,13:33)11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Do you think these…[Read more]

Answer the other post tomorrow, too tired, sorry.

Mike, Serapim and Cherubim are Angels.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 09 2010,10:23)Shimmer,Those of mankind who attain the right to become sons of God, will be also perfected and raised up as Jesus was.Jesus is BOTH Man and Spirit. Perfect Man and Spirit.To call Man 'Angel' is to debase the Spirit of God in Man. No Shimmer, they will NOT be like Angels, they will be BETTER than Angels.See…[Read more]