Hi Seeking Truth, thats true,

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2010,21:29)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,23:50)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,18:37)Outer Darkness is the darkness without God….I see that.Sorry, dont worry, just thinking out loud.See though, bod, how can 'outer darkess' be fire and burning as is in Revelations…purely symbolic writing….Revelations.shimmerwhat if…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 11 2010,15:02)Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2010,11:47)“However, there is no other man that is worthy of the position of “Lord and Christ” over all of humanity, and yet, he is a man and not God.  He is the “King of kings and the Lord of Lords”.”Marty,When Jesus rose from the dead, and appeared to the apostles without Thomas, and…[Read more]

JA, one of your posts were amazing. Back a page or two. And also I like how you said you dont need anything to help you but scripture and the Holy Spirit as your guide, thats true, I used to be the same with bod. I could open scripture anywhere, I would be led to answers, then I started using online searches, its not the same, being led by…[Read more]

Gene, and ED, thanks for your comments.

But I'm tired, it's late, so I will answer the other posts tommorow.

JA,  Mike,  Jesus is…(Literal Translation)First Begotten in the wombMatthew 1:20And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, `Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to receive Mary thy wife, for that which in her was begotten of the Holy SpiritLuke 1:35And the messenger answering s…[Read more]

I wondered that too. So maybe that means that eventually all will be saved. I think the Eastern Orthodox believe that, Im not sure. But then again, there is (In revelations) the second death, then death and hades are thrown into the 'lake of fire' and death is no more….?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2010,15:31)And what else has this “bullying” got you?  Well, it has gotten Shimmer to laugh along with you.  You slam me, she says “Ha ha, you're funny JA”.  Hmmmmmm…….what does scripture say?Matthew 18:6 NIV“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them…[Read more]

Amen.

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,18:37)Outer Darkness is the darkness without God….I see that.Sorry, dont worry, just thinking out loud.See though, bod, how can 'outer darkess' be fire and burning as is in Revelations…purely symbolic writing….Revelations.

Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 11 2010,12:01)Shimmer,Quote  “So 'the smoke of their torment ascending forever and ever' has to be meaning something else..”Here's a possiblty: If you look at the YLT what the verse translates as is “to ages of ages” an age is a period of the history distinguished by some special feature. Scripture points out several…[Read more]

Outer Darkness is the darkness without God….I see that.

And on 'hell', just a quick search.. Literal translation..I say to you, that many from east and west shall come and recline (at meat) with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the reign of the heavens, but the sons of the reign shall be cast forth to the outer darkness — there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth.' The Son of Man shall…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 11 2010,11:41)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 11 2010,06:32)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 11 2010,08:12)the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or nightThis is the proper way to understand how this is written. “their” and “they” are the same group and the semicolon is showing these clauses to be…[Read more]

Ed, this subject is not about the Quran, it's about belief in hell…your off topic Ed.

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,08:38)For the reader's sake: I(Ed J) no longer Post directly to BD, nor answer his postulating questions, because BD continues to make outrageous personal attacks which go ignored by the owner of this site.Ed, true ? ok.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 11 2010,08:12)the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or nightThis is the proper way to understand how this is written. “their” and “they” are the same group and the semicolon is showing these clauses to be interdependentSo whoever are the “their” of “Their Torment” are also the…[Read more]

So JA, if that was true, that all things, including the Angels, were created through and for Him, then, Jesus could still have been an Angel, created by God, as Adam was created by God…the other Angels created after Him, as others were (procreated) after Adam…sort of thing ? Just my thoughts dont worry if they dont make sense at all.

But JA, i'm trying to figure this out, which Mike askedQuote 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Now if the first “all” in this scripture means “ALL”, like we know it does, for “ALL” things came…[Read more]