Just to interrupt,”By their fruits you will know them”.So far, I have only seen these good fruits (lasting) in NON Prexistances (On this Forum), and I have been sitting on the fence for quite some time now.

“For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, 'marrying and giving in marriage', until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away”.

Ed,Is that a fact about the slaves and fornication??I KNOW for a fact, that with Islam.. If they have sex with a woman, then they HAVE to Marry them.  So..  Why do you think they are so careful not to be tempted?  Why do you think they HATE western lifestyles Ed?  If they sleep with a woman then they are to marry them (No casual sex there is the…[Read more]

Kerwin and all,I have learnt so much through this thread, and thankyou.

Kerwin, yes.So start with this that I said:Example, if I was a PAST fornicator (never married), and was on my own now, and as a Christian, have just learnt this – then I can only ever be with a man if I marry him.  There is no excuse.  And if I marry him, and if we divorce, I can NOT remarry. Now change the words to if I was divorced.As a woman, i…[Read more]

Question: How come Muslims seem to have a better grasp on this than Christians do? I mean, so many Christian do NOT know this, even though Jesus said it.

Hi Kerwin and Ed, yes, that's right.But once they know (as I now know) they have to leave their old sinful ways behind.Example, if I was a PAST fornicator (never married), and was on my own now, and as a Christian, have just learnt this – then I can only ever be with a man if I marry him. There is no excuse. And if I marry him, and if we…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,07:53)Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 25 2012,17:06)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2012,18:40)Hi Shimmer,Thanks for the explanation. I have never heard of such a thing before.Is sex outside of this spiritual type of marriage permitted?   “However, he would 'sleep with them' (only)”   …is that what this means?God blessEd J Hi E…[Read more]

Thanks Gene and Ed, I have learnt so much here, things I didn't even know.

(So much for me being quiet – I'm trying). Just a question:So can a past fornicator, who has NEVER been legally married, and is now alone and freed from her past life, go on and marry (for the first time in her life) if it is Gods will?

And fornication is a sin.I liked the way you said it Gene:Quote Take a man who goes to a Bar and Meets a women there and He talks to her trying to pick her up and have sex with her , his only interest in in sex but he tells her all kind of thing making her believe he is seriously interested in her and she likes him and is naturally drawn in by his…[Read more]

OK, so just as a quick summary to Genes post,The law was never 'Done away with',  as some mistakenly teach.  Things like lust became adultery (of the heart). Jesus said, Mat 5:“Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass a…[Read more]

Gene thank you! I am learning so much here, and I have so much also (more) to learn.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2012,09:07)True KW, And a happy home is a great blessing.Remaining one with your spouse brings joy through the generations.Amen Nick I agree.

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2012,18:40)Hi Shimmer,Thanks for the explanation. I have never heard of such a thing before.Is sex outside of this spiritual type of marriage permitted?   “However, he would 'sleep with them' (only)”   …is that what this means?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed.Apparently, yes.And if the m…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 25 2012,02:53)To All………..Marriage is not a equal covenant agreement as most assume. Here is why< notice when a man marries a women the Name of the man is not changed but the name of the women is  changed , this means she takes on another identity in the relationship. She is bound to her Husband, but the husband…[Read more]

Ed, it's complicated to try and explain.Just say:-Two single people meet on the Internet.-They love each other.-They live in different countries.-They 'Marry each other' In the Spirit. (The words).-The woman loves the man and is loyal to him and is not interested in anyone else, and if he asked her to marry him in the flesh, she would.-The man has…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2012,09:39)Hi Shimmer,I never heard of such a thing?these modern “Spiritual Marriages” Can you elaborate more on this concept?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed.  It is as I said in the first post and as Kerwin said above.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 25 2012,02:53)To All………..Marriage is not a equal covenant agreement as most assume. Here is why< notice when a man marries a women the Name of the man is not changed but the name of the women is  changed , this means she takes on another identity in the relationship. She is bound to her Husband, but the husband…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 24 2012,21:12)Shimmer,Marriage is a spiritual contract where a man and woman pledge to be loyal to one another in body and spirit.  That pledge is given before God.  It is clear that the teaching you speak of is just an attempt to wiggle out of that pledge.  Kerwin, I agree.