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To all: The whole point of looking at the question of (where is) air like God was to point out that air is every where on earth. the man in China could say air is over here, while i can say, not it's over here because I am breathing it right now. Air is an invisible substance that cannot be pinpointed to one place, as it is one big matter that has no one place on earth like the north only or the south only. It covers the whole earth.
When the bible says that the heavens cannot contain God would show that God is every where at the same time. How is this? Don't know. But when David asked the question of where could he go that God was not there, does not mean he is the only one who would need God at the same time.

I can go to God's throne here in the USA while at the same time someone in China can go to His throne.
I just think it's trying to confuse the minds by looking at pointless questions. IMO.

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The bible says that the heavens cannot contain God. David said, where can I go that you are not there.
What is so hard about how we see God like we see air. Air is every where and is there for us as we need it without moving one inch.
Likewise, God is everywhere for everyone and all of His creation.

Jesus said that a sparrow cannot fall without God not knowing about it. (think about it, How many sparrows are in the world)

Yes God has a throne, but not limited to time and Dimension as we are. Space is every where in the universe, but it's not one space here and another over there etc.

It would be confusing to limit God to only one place just because He has a throne in Heaven.

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Wakeup,

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Richtuner. Our Father who art in HEAVEN. John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

I breathe air in Alabama, a man in China breathes air.
Where is air exactly?

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Is what is “evil” evil because God commands it, or does God command it because it is evil?
that would demand an equal answer.

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The question is “Where is God exactly”.
It can be answered by looking at the question “Where is air exactly”

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Marlin1, It has nothing to do with vindication. I believe in him and John G Lake, Smith Wigglesworth etc.,but we are not suppose to raise up any man to think more highly of him than any other, or exalt one above another.

Those who are called, are by God, and should do those things he or she is called to do without the praise of men.

Seems more people are followers of men than God.
I do respect men or women who follow God and do what their called to do, I just don't look to them like I look to God.

Men will let you down, God wont.

Like John said, (as even Jesus said no greater prophet was john) “I must decrease and He must increase”.

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William Branham who died in 1965. No different than the Mormons who believe in Joseph Smith.
Jesus said there would be some who would decieve many. No other name given among men but the name of Jesus. If one cannot get revalation from Paul through the Word, then they will fall for another gospel.

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Again who is this?

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Just who is this person?

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Wakeup,

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Posted on Dec. 20 2012,08:06 Quote (Richtuner @ Dec. 20 2012,03:53) Blame this on the Evangelist who are on the TV and tell people that if they get saved and believe in Jesus and God, they will never have a glorious life without tribulations and heart aches. I believe in the abundant life, (a life with supernatural help). Amazing Grace, that is where I get what I don't deserve and Mercy, that is I don't get that I deserve. Richter. If that is the case,then why those multitudes and multitudes have to go tribulations? Rev.7. Why did Jesus say that we will be hated by the world because they hated him? True christians,can not have abundant life in this Godless world,because they will be hated. None of the apostles and martyrs had abundant life,but only struggle. To worship God because of abundant life is of no value to God. Anyone can do that,just because of greed and selfishness. Worshipping God; because of what he can give me. God values worship such as Jobs. We suppose to be as dead in the flesh,but alive in the spirit.

If Jesus stated in John chapter 10 that He came to “give life and life more abundantly” then why can't you have the abundant life in tribulation?

To have the abundant life doesn't mean you are somehow free from tribulations, it just means you have a “living hope” and “help” from God while others don't, who are not saved or believers.

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Blame this on the Evangelist who are on the TV and tell people that if they get saved and believe in Jesus and God, they will never have a glorious life without tribulations and heart aches.
I believe in the abundant life, (a life with supernatural help).

Amazing Grace, that is where I get what I don't deserve and Mercy, that is I don't get that I deserve.

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barley, What church do you go to or are you affiliated with any?

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To all, there is a sad thing going on here on this forum. A lot of people have the spirit of the Pharisees and not the Spirit of God.

The fruit of the Spirit has fruit that is Love, Patience, etc. whereas the spirit of the Pharisees have Pride, no Patience.

Most in here are very prideful of what they hold to be the truth, but cannot use or read the scriptures without their pride colored glasses to justify their beliefs.

And much condemning going on here. That is what the Pharisee did, is condemn the common people, ( who by the way Jesus said they would go into Heaven before they would).

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It seems that no one can see the difference between a fathers sins that he commits and sins that can be passed down.

In these scriptures you can see that God does visit the iniquity of the father upon his children. Why?
Notice “of them that hate me”. It is a sin to hate God and teach or pass down your beliefs, (or doubt) to your children, because they will hate God just like you did. and if they do they will get them same results as your father.

Sure if my father commits murder I will not have to go to jail or answer to God for his sins.

If you can see this then it will be easer to understand that when Adam sinned, death was passed down to us all even though we were not there, not did we sin like Adam did.

Just the same what Jesus did is passed down to us through faith being born again, (the new birth).

Exo_20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Deu_5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

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To all,
I must say again to all,
if it was not for the faith of Jesus, we would not have salvation. Our faith in Jesus, if He did not act out His faith would be in vain.

How can anyone say the “one faith” is our faith if our faith without His faith is worthless?

MANKIND'S FAITH IN THE OLD TESTAMENT DID NOTHING TO SAVE THEM, ONLY THEY HAVE FAITH IN THE BLOOD OF BULLS GOATS AND SHEEP TO COVER THEIR SINS FOR ANOTHER YEAR, BUT ONCE FOR ALL, IN THE SHED BLOOD OF CHRIST, (BY HIS FAITH) WE ARE ETERNALLY SAVED.

People all over the world say they have faith is someone, but their faith is in vain because it will not do what Jesus faith did to make it possible for salvation for all mankind.

If your faith is the “one faith” then mine is worthless because yours would be the “one”. If mine was then yours would be worthless because mine is the “one”

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Thank you journey42,
I made a thread in “View Points” wanting others to give their alliance or affiliation so we can better understand how to communicate on the posts, but not very many was willing to put up what they were.
If your a Baptist then we pretty much know what you believe in.
I have found out there is some J.W.'s and Muslims among others here that answer some post.

I can agree to disagree with anyone on any subject without condemning them, but some here are here to play the office of a judge and pass judgment upon them with harsh words.

God will be the judge of us all. If I am wrong, then let God show me, as He knows I am open to His Word of truth, not the scorn of others who don't see beyond their own thoughts.

Same to all, let God show you, but when scriptures are way too plain, then at least look at them.

People are continent having someone teach something that has the bible warning of those who have tickling ears, and will adhere to those things and will show blindness to scriptures that contradict what they believe in.

I have heard, (and know) of people who have been saved for years and still are a baby in Christ and need the milk of the Word not the meat.

Paul said one time that he could not say some thing because they could not hear or bear it. It would go beyond their understanding.

Jesus said the same thing.
The meat of the Word takes some foundation that the milk of the Word has built.
When you think that we will for eternity be learning, how can we think that it will not take effort on our part to learn here in this life where we have to fight with the flesh and the UN-renewed mind.

I would say there are things that God cannot show us because we could not wrap our minds around or our spirits could not get now.

It's all about faith. “By faith we understand……”. Faith comes by hearing God's Word.

We have faith in our school teachers in what they say, which brings natural knowledge, how about God's Word which brings Spiritual knowledge.

If all you are going on is natural knowledge that you can wrap your minds around and not by faith, which is God's word which is always discerned by the spirit then you will have confusion in you beliefs not being able to include any scriptures that the whole of the bible contains.

I think the milk of the Word can be seen by anybody, but it's the meat that is not available to those who are not spiritual.

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a note to all about the seed.
There are two things that have seed in man and one in women.

The one in man and women is their tongues, the one that women don't have is the male's organs.

We all know that men have seed to reproduce, but don't remember that the bible talks about sowing of words, like seeds of discord etc.

Remember the parable of the sower? The seed is the Word of God.
Our confession of God's word is our seed that we sow in our lives. The Word says that if we confess, we are sowing the Word.

When the Angel talked with Mary, she SAID, “so be it unto me”.

Compare this to when the same Angel talked with Zacharias about his wife Elizabeth just before Mary and he did not believe it, but acted in a way that the Angel shut his mouth up so he could not speak, (sow words) against the words of the Angel.

No, women don't have the same seed as the man's seed to reproduce, but they do have the same capacity as men to sow seeds of words.
Prov. said we have the power of life and death in our tongues.

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journey42, sorry I did not get personal and make clear on who I was talking about.

Marlin1 can see the scriptures that said that Adam knew Eve and bear Able and yet the same thing is said about Cain, but because he wants to believe that Cain was born from Satan, (or the serpent) he cannot see these are not different in any way. If you read the Word in Gen. 4 it says that Adam knew Eve AND she bare a son Cain.

The forbidden fruit many sound good to say it was sex, but the bible said it was a tree.
Again it's okay to believe that the tree of life is a tree, but it's not okay to believe the tree of good and evil is not a tree.
It all has to do with what you believe as a foundation, then you have to prove it or prove it to be false.

The only problem is that you can't take scriptures that don't fit into the foundation as force them by using them with your opinion.
Judas went out and hanged himself because of what he done, I can't take that and add the statement that Jesus said, Go and do ye likewise” to make a doctrine that if you sin you should hang yourself.

Then when people don't agree with you claim your the only who is not in darkness.
If any scriptures you use can compliment, support, and agree and fit in the foundation then it's okay, but if it seems to disagree, contradict in any way then it is not to be used.

It's too easy to take someones word or teaching about something and never ask, “is this a word that is rightly divided”.

I have seen some others who will not acknowledge other scriptures that don't fit or work into what they are saying and keep trying to convince others that they have truth when they can't acknowledge scriptures that contradict what they are saying.

If all the scriptures don't agree, then you lack understanding and wisdom. When knowledge is lacking wisdom and understanding it will puff you up because you think you know it all, but can't put it together.
It starts with knowledge, but knowledge must have the wisdom and understanding to put it into practice.

Pro_21:30 There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD
(I might add that is also against His Word)

Pro_4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

Pro_3:19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

Pro_10:13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.

Pro_16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!

Way too many are in the bible about wisdom and understanding to quote, but if you want to build and establish yourself in God then make sure all you know is supported be wisdom and understanding.

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To all,
I have seen many views on how to interpret scriptures here in the forum. Most of them always use scriptures that don't fit with the subject and a lot of them migrate to another thought.

Paul told us that we should rightly divide the Word to truth. Rightly dividing would surely include knowing what scriptures fit into a particular subject or not. He also told Timothy to “consider what I say and the Lord will give you understanding in all things”.

When the scriptures don't give you understanding, just a lot of wisdom then you can get puffed up with knowledge but not understand what you know.

Sometimes we need a foundation in order to build other subjects, thoughts and knowledge upon. Sometimes we get an understanding on a subject and it will enforce the foundation.
So knowledge can build a foundation or it can only be supported by the foundation if it is with understanding. It can go either way, but they must agree and fit with understanding.

I have been in airplanes, but do not understand how to fly one. I know how they get off the ground and stay afloat, but you need some one with understand how to fly and control it when it goes wrong.
In other words you can't control and operate in anything that you don't have an understanding in. You might fake it for a while, but sooner or later you knowledge will fail you because you have no understanding.

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Marlin1, you are doing just what I said the others do. The scriptures in Gen. 4 where it said that Adam knew Eve, and where God said He put enmity between the seeds are another thought and from different scriptures, and not talking about thing.
WHY BRING SCRIPTURES INTO THE SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT FIT???

Gen 4:1 And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she CONCEIVED, and bare Cain, and said, “I have gotten a man from the LORD”

She conceived when she knew Adam, not the serpent, she got a man from the LORD, not the serpent.

If you are going to look at any other scriptures then look at when Jesus told the people of His day that they were of their father, (as stated before, but ignored) the devil.

You really don't have a handle on the seed issue. You have been taught something that you have to insert scriptures that don't agree, or support what you believe, and other scriptures that do agree and support that which you don't believe will support it and confuses the whole thing for you.

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