LU:  Please note that it doesn’t say that YHVH took possession of me, it merely says that YHVH possessed me. There is a difference.

There’s really not.  Nor is it even worth arguing about, since – as I’ve repeatedly showed you – the following verses make it ABUNDANTLY clear that the word means created, not possessed.  You can keep arguing for poss…[Read more]

LU: I just showed you that there is a genitive of subordination. Wallace is a Greek scholar.

No, you showed me where a Trinitarian claimed that there is a “genitive of subordination”.  How is it marked in the Greek language?  Is there a special dot or line attached to the normal genitive form of the Greek word that makes it clear that this p…[Read more]

Mike:  If you can tell me how God is “above” both me in Arizona and Tater in NZ at the same time, then I might read your article.

LU: If I stick pins straight into a globe in every nation, and put the globe under a tabletop, the tabletop is above the globe and all its pins at the same time, the floor is not above the globe and all its pins or ev…

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LU: YHVH the Son, was made lower than the angels when He emptied Himself and became a bondservant. After His resurrection, His Father exalted Him over all things in heaven and on earth, including the angels. See my last post.

There is no such thing as “YHVH the Son”.  And Jesus – as a human – said he could call 10,000 angels down to take his…[Read more]

Mike:  At what point was Jesus ever lesser than the other Davidic kings so that he had to have God place him higher than them? 

LU: Philippians 2:

7but emptied Himself,

taking the form of a servant,

being made in human likeness.

The Davidic kings were also human beings.  I’m asking when Jesus was ever lesser than (not equal to) those Da…[Read more]

Berean:  You says That JESUS Never created anything…..!?

Colossians 1:12-18

Give thanks to the Father (God) who brought us together….

For by him (Jesus) were created all things that are in the heavens and on the earth…

While I’m happy to see that you are correctly identifying (Jesus) as someone other than (God), I’ve already showed you th…[Read more]

gadam: Again you are struck at this passage in Prov 8.

Sorry, I am not interested in the cut and paste novels you keep posting.  Use your own words to tell me why Prov 8:22 is cannot possibly be talking about an actual person.

LU:  See the word “before.”

The word is a verb, meaning an action. The meaning of the Hebrew you quoted is that God took action A before He took those other actions of ancient times (ie: the ones we all already know about, like creating the heavens and the earth, etc.)  So whether “possessed” or “created”, God took action to do that thing before He…[Read more]

gadam:  I think you are struck with one aspect of this nature of Jesus where you repeatedly quote Rev 3:14 and Col 1:15. I agree there is ambiguity of these verses…

No there isn’t.  See my last post to LU above.  They all align perfectly when translated correctly – as opposed to purposely mistranslating them because of personal desires for Je…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

Proverbs 8 does not mention the word “God” but instead “YHVH.” Wisdom is “possessed” by YHVH, meaning YHVH had wisdom there before His first work. Therefore, wisdom couldn’t be His first work if He existed before His first work. Wisdom was and is a member of YHVH, the Unity, and it was through that member that The YHVH Unity created…

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LU: Mike,

The Father and the Son are one, does not mean one person. Nobody argues this unless they are modalists which I don’t believe anyone here is.

Kathi, you believe in two completely different Gods.  You just don’t know how to align two Most High Gods with the scriptures, and so you invent stuff like “the complete YHVH” or whatever to mer…[Read more]

LU:  The light is above the whole ball.

Another example, If I stick pins straight into a globe in every nation, and put the globe under a tabletop, the tabletop is above the globe and all its pins at the same time, the floor is not above the globe and all its pins or even any of its pins. The table is above the whole globe.

Ah, but the floor IS…[Read more]

LU: From your favorite translation, the NET Bible.

Now if only there was such a thing as a “genitive of subordination” in the Greek language.  But there’s not.  It’s simply the genitive form of “every” and the genitive form of “creature”, ie: of every creature.

The Greek words could say, “I’m the boss OF you”, and you could say that, based on th…[Read more]

LU:  You have been arguing this but nobody here has been claiming this.

If by that you mean that none of you have explicitly said, “Mike, you’re right that I purposely twist scriptures because of my personal desire to place Jesus higher than what he himself taught us about himself”, then you’re right.

But neither has Gene or Jodi ever said,…[Read more]

LU: If you put a ball under a ceiling light, the light is above the whole ball.

But the light isn’t above any people living on the bottom of that ball, right?

LU:  Regarding this passage, think of the “companions” as the other Davidic kings…

It is speaking of the Son in His Messianic role, according to thee flesh.

At what point was Jesus ever lesser than the other Davidic kings so that he had to have God place him higher than them?  Besides, since there nothing in the scripture that clearly suppo…[Read more]

Mike:  Now read your passage again with the discernment Paul showed here…

For he “has put everything under his feet.”Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself,……

Carmel: The above scripture Mike has nothing to do with “ALL THINGS JESUS RIGHT NOW POSSESSES” thus it is not refe…

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Berean: Mike you should read this: 

From ET.J.WAGONNER

Christ and his righteousness
Chapter 5

Hi Berean, I did read it, and it is the epitome of every misunderstanding/twisting of scripture that I’ve been trying to clarify for almost 15 years here.  Let me hit just a few highlights and ask you (and Kathi who praised this article) to defend t…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

This is a great article about those believing in a flat earth which can help you…

Okay Tater Jr.  (That’s his “defense” of the Satanic ball earth too… just posting articles and videos of other people saying stuff.)  Tell me, Kathi, what particular flat earth argument have I made that this article addresses?  In what way is that par…[Read more]

LU: Also, John never translated arche’ as “beginning.”

I never said he did.  Here’s what I said…

But what if we just translated it as “beginning” – the default #1 definition of the Greek word – and the meaning of the same word by the same author in John 1:1?

John used “arche” in 1:1.  The clear meaning of the word is “beginning”, “I…[Read more]